Prabhupāda: You can go, and you will find in his belly. (japa) (break) You think simply small fishes are there? As the ocean is big, similarly, very, very big fishes are there. (break) . . . up. Remain deep in the water. (break)
Gurukṛpā: A very dark condition.
Prabhupāda: Why dark condition? They are living very happily.
Gurukṛpā: It's dark in the bottom of the ocean.
Prabhupāda: No, not dark. They have got their light. Everywhere arrangement is there. Otherwise, how they can live?
Gurukṛpā: It's also very cold in the bottom of the ocean.
Prabhupāda: Cold for you, (laughter) not for them. (laughs) Everything, these rascal scientists consider in relation, relatively. But relative world means every living being is relatively existing with a condition. And he is thinking only his relative condition. That is their foolishness. You cannot fly in the sky; a small bird will fly. That is called relative world. For his condition, it is different from you.
Śrutakīrti: They've done filming at the bottom of the sea, and they've seen many of the fish at the bottom of the sea, in the deep portions, they make their own light. From their bodies they have light.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like down this planet there are dark . . . there are many other planets, Talātala . . . they are dark. The sunshine does not go there. But there are serpents who has got big, big jewels on the hood. That makes the light.
Manasvī: Maṇi. They're called maṇi.
Prabhupāda: Ah, ah. (break) . . . kim asau na bhayaṅkaraḥ (Nīti Śāstra). "A serpent decorated with jewel, is it not ferocious?" Similarly a bad man, even if he is so-called learned and scientist, he is also ferocious, demons. Bad man means who does not recognize the supremacy of God. Bad. Demon.
Bali-mardana: The scientists say that in the beginning of the planet there were only little bacteria and algae.
Prabhupāda: His father, his great-grandfather. The scientists' great-grandfather, bacteria. Because from that bacteria his father developed and he was born, so therefore the bacteria his great-grandfather.
Bali-mardana: Yes, they say that.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that's all right. Then how you got so much knowledge?
Bali-mardana: From fossils.
Prabhupāda: From bacteria? How rascals they are.
Bali-mardana: Prabhupāda, in the Bhāgavatam it also states that there are nine divisions of creation, and that in the first creation there's the plants and trees.
Prabhupāda: That's all right, but these different bodies, and the soul is transmigrating, that they do not know. The soul is getting a different type of body according to his desires, not the body is developing. This I have explained many times, that you get the apartment according to the rent you are able to pay, not that a small apartment is becoming a skyscraper building. That is their theory.
Bali-mardana: But is there a great time period between the different divisions of the creation?
Prabhupāda: No. Everything is there already. It becomes manifest. Just like beneath the water there is land already. And when the water will dry, land will be manifest. Not that the land is created. No, it is already there. (break)
Gurukṛpā: . . . told us last time that actually the earth did not come out of the water, but the water receded, and this is how this Hawaii came.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Gurukṛpā: That there was water covering everything, and then the water receded, and then the land was there.
Prabhupāda: Yes. No, from creative method, from water, land has come.
Bali-mardana: Yes. Gross to . . . from subtle to gross.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Bali-mardana: But there are different devastations by water as well.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (japa) (break) There is a Bengali proverb, ādār vapare yahare khabor. A man is dealing with ginger. So ginger is used . . . suppose we take ginger, a few small pieces. You cannot expect ginger selling in wagons. (laughs) Ginger is accepted—you purchase one or two pieces, that's all. So a merchant dealing in ginger is asking, "What is the fare of one big freight? I shall take ginger that." He is selling only two pieces, and he's taking information of a big freighter. Similarly, these rascals, they are dealing with small things and contemplate describing life.