Bahulāśva: So this dark planet, then, is closer?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Bahulāśva: This dark Rahu planet, this is closer?
Prabhupāda: Rahu, yes. Rahu is between earth and sun. Moon is above sun.
Devotee (3): So it is bigger than the sun?
Prabhupāda: Not necessarily. The size is there in the Bhāgavata.
Paramahaṁsa: In Stockholm, Prabhupāda, in the museum, they have a whole room, and in the room there is all these... There's American flag and Swedish flag, and there's a whole exhibit with one teeny little rock about as big as my finger nail that the Americans gave the Swedes. It's supposed to be a rock from the moon. And they said in it that it's exactly as any kind of rock that you'll find on earth. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: They say? It is simply cheating. They found this in Arizona, somebody... (laughter) And laboratory work.
Bahulāśva: I have been trying to arrange a meeting between Your Divine Grace and that astronaut. He was going to come to Rathayātrā, but he had to go to Florida for some space project.
Prabhupāda: What does he say, astronaut?
Bahulāśva: He says that... His name is Edgar Mitchell, and he was one of the men who went to the moon. But we talked, and he said... He thinks he has gone to the moon. But he said that when he was there, he had a religious experience, and he felt that there was a God. When he went to the moon, he had this experience. So when he came back, he was telling all his scientist friends what his experience was. So they became very afraid, and they kicked him out of the space project. They thought he had become a fanatic, religious sentimentalist, so they kicked him out. So now he has opened up an institute for noetic sciences or... It is some Greek word. It means like spiritual sciences. He wants to prove to the scientific world that there is God.
Prabhupāda: That's nice. He is good.
Bahulāśva: So we gave him a copy of Easy Journey to Other Planets and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, and he's been reading that. He is friends with that other scientist, Wernher Von Braun, who gave that speech also saying that he feels that there is definitely God by his scientific studies. We also wrote him a letter, but we haven't gotten any response. Svarūpa Dāmodara prabhu wrote him also.
Prabhupāda: What he is?
Bahulāśva: He is a very big scientist for Fairchild. He started the space project.
Harikeśa: He invented those rockets in Germany.
Paramahaṁsa: Yeah, he was actually captured. He used to work for Hitler. He invented the V-2 rockets that bombed London, or was one of them.
Bahulāśva: He gave a very nice talk in San Francisco.
Prabhupāda: Oh. About?
Bahulāśva: He said that from his scientific studies he is feeling frustrated. So he made a public statement that he is going to give them up for studying God. He says that he feels that everything indicates in the universe that there must be a supreme intelligence behind the workings of the universe.
Prabhupāda: Very intelligent man. He is intelligent. As soon as one denies the existence of God, immediately he comes within the category of four classes of men: sinful, rascal, lowest of the mankind and knowledge taken away by māyā.
Bahulāśva: The four classes that never surrender unto Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Or do not admit the existence of God.
Paramahaṁsa: To assume that there is no God is basically nonscientific.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Paramahaṁsa: Because they're denying an entire field of study.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore they are rascals.