Prabhupāda: That's all right. Why shall I believe in God? Sense gratification is there. Why shall I believe in God?
Upendra: There has to be a certain amount of self-respect that the Christians give the people. . .
Prabhupāda: Nobody respects. Nowadays, if somebody is religious, he is thought of as a fool. He's not. . .
Upendra: Nowadays.
Siddha-svarūpa: Actually, because what you're saying is right, people are going away from religion. There is no use for it anymore.
Prabhupāda: No religion. No, they do not know what is the meaning of religion. Therefore they create some religious system. They create: "Let me create something. After all, it is bluffing. So if I can. . ." Just like this, from India there are so many come. Here also there are many. They create some. It is. . . After all, it is bluffing. "So let me create something." Real business is to bluff and take money.
Bali-mardana: They like to make a show.
Prabhupāda: That's all.
Bali-mardana: Even President Nixon, he was having Bible meetings while he was cheating everyone. (Prabhupāda chuckles) (break)
Prabhupāda: They think in. . . believe in God, and "There is no God; believe in God." Create some God and believe, that's all. Finished. Therefore there are many, so many, religions.
Bali-mardana: Everyone has a tendency to worship something. If they don't worship Kṛṣṇa, they will worship someone else, like Mao or Lenin. . . (break)
Prabhupāda: One fashion is meditation. This fashion is very prominent. What meditation, they do not know.
Bali-mardana: They think that it is simply a. . .
Prabhupāda: Sit down. . . I have seen meditation. (makes snoring sound) I have seen.