Acyutānanda: ...when they do something for their sense gratification, but to sacrifice—"Oh, Kṛṣṇa has to tell me. Kṛṣṇa wills it." Then they don't... They say, "Why did Kṛṣṇa create evil?" Then there is a very peculiar question that comes sometimes: "If Kṛṣṇa knows that we were going to fall down, why didn't He save us?" or something like that.
Prabhupāda: He's saving you.
Sudāmā: In the West, that is a very popular question.
Prabhupāda: He's saving.
Sudāmā: Why didn't...
Prabhupāda: He's asking that "You... I'll save you. You surrender to Me."
Acyutānanda: But that means He knows everything in advance.
Prabhupāda: He knows. He knows that you are a rascal, you'll fall. Therefore He says that "Do this. You'll not fall."
Acyutānanda: And they don't seem to take that answer, and they're very...
Sudāmā: No, they become very embittered: "Why He permits us...? If He is all-loving God, why He permits us to suffer?
Prabhupāda: No, He's not permit... He forbids, but you...
Acyutānanda: You insist.
Prabhupāda: ...that you have to understand, that you have got little independence. That... Actually they do not understand that.
Sudāmā: No. They're not satisfied.
Acyutānanda: They don't...
Sudāmā: Then they say, "Why He give us independence, then?"
Prabhupāda: Then... That is the distinction between you and the stone. Otherwise you would have remained as stone. Because you are moving, therefore He has given you the independence.
Guru-kṛpā: There is also a question in that same line. They say that in the spiritual world we say that everything is peaceful, there is no birth and death, there is no material conditions, so if the conditions in the spiritual world are so nice and everything is spiritually, everything is spiritual, how is it that one can become envious of Kṛṣṇa in such conditions? This is a very...
Acyutānanda: The original sin.
Sudāmā: Why we are envious,
Guru-kṛpā: How is it that, if everything is free from envy, free from bad material elements...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guru-kṛpā: How is it that...
Prabhupāda: That is independence. That is independence. In spite of all these things, because you have got little independence, you can violate.
Sudāmā: It is very hard thing to understand.
Prabhupāda: No, it is not difficult. It is not difficult.
Acyutānanda: It is not difficult. They don't want to understand.
Prabhupāda: Because you are part and parcel of God, God has got full independence, but you have got little independence, proportionately, because you are part and parcel.