Prabhupāda: Yes. Energy of the soul. As soon as the soul is passed from the body, there is no more consciousness. This is very easy to understand. They cannot explain why the consciousness stops. They cannot explain. But that is the symptom. Yena sarvam idam, avināśi tu tad viddhi . . . yena sarvam idam (BG 2.17), in the Bhagavad-gītā. That thing which is spreading the energy all over the body, that is eternal. Now, what is that thing which is spreading the consciousness? It is the soul.
So long the soul is there, you have got consciousness; otherwise there is no consciousness. Very plain word. Avināśi tu tad viddhi. Just try to understand that thing which is spreading consciousness all over the body. Just like a small grain of poison: as soon as you take it, immediately it will, I mean to say, spread all over the blood. Even a small grain. And how much powerful is that spiritual spark?
Chandanācārya: So the grain is carried by the blood. What is the spiritual spark carried by?
Prabhupāda: Spiritual spark . . . the soul is not carried by, but he resides within the body. He is carried by his own karma, subtle. Subtle desire he is carried. Everyone is carried by his desire. Why I have come here, in America? I have got a desire to preach; therefore I've come. Otherwise I had no business to come here. So desire carries you. That is, the rascal, they do not know. Desire is there. They cannot see, but desire is there.
Mind is there, intelligence there; they cannot see. That is carrying. The example is given, just like the aroma of a flower is being carried by the air. And nobody can see, but one can feel, "Oh, it is very good, nice aroma. Wherefrom it is coming?" But he has no eyes to see either the aroma or the air. Similarly, the soul after destruction of this body is being carried by the desire, but they have no eyes to see what is that desire, what is that soul, what is that intelligence. They are saying: "There is no soul." This is mostly stupidity.
Hṛdayānanda: So . . .
Prabhupāda: Simply stupids.
Hṛdayānanda: So if someone is Kṛṣṇa conscious, then nothing can be hidden from him.
Prabhupāda: Ah?
Hṛdayānanda: If someone is Kṛṣṇa conscious, then . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, because he learned from the . . . Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says, avināśi tu tad viddhi yena sarvam, na jāyate na mriyate vā . . . na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20). So we are . . . Kṛṣṇa conscious means you are taking what Kṛṣṇa says; therefore we know. Therefore we know. And then you judge in your own way, you'll find, "Yes, it is all right."
Devotee: This way.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Avināśi tu tad viddhi yena sarvam idaṁ tatam. At the present moment, because your these blunt eyes cannot see the soul, you have to learn it by appreciation. Anuvarga. It is called anuvarga, appreciation. Just like Kṛṣṇa says that tad viddhi, that, that thing which is spreading consciousness, that is soul. Now you can perceive there must be something which is now absent; otherwise why there is no consciousness? Where is the difficulty? If you do not see, you can understand it. Just like the same example, when good aroma is carried. So somebody says: "This good aroma is coming because the air is passing through a flower garden, therefore this aroma." Now this is a fact, but you cannot see the aroma or the air. But you hear from an experienced man. That is the way of understanding which is beyond your sense perception.