Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So now you've defined a perfect leader. What is a perfect system? What are the criterion for a perfect system?
Prabhupāda: Perfect system means from which we do not suffer. That's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No suffering.
Prabhupāda: No suffering.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That is the main criterion.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We are always hankering after happiness. So we do not like suffering. So if there is no suffering, that is perfect system.