Prabhupāda: Yes. Caitya-guru. One has to take the order of Kṛṣṇa through the media, via media, of spiritual master.
Harikeśa: So all of my activities, unless they are directly following your order, are more or less a concoction of my mind.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) . . . office, you cannot contact the proprietor directly. There are subordinate officers. Through them you have to take the proprietor's help. The office master is there. You have to satisfy the office master. You cannot directly approach the proprietor. If you satisfy the office master, then your promotion and other things is all right. But if you want to . . . I have got practical experience. One of my friend, he was working in office. So the proprietor was there, and many other employees were there. So that my friend, he suggested something to the proprietor, and the proprietor immediately dismissed him, "Oh, this man want to suggest me? Dismiss immediately. Give him his pay, he will go away." In that I have got practical experience. He later on became so sorry. So, now it is the process. So this is practical. We should not try to approach directly Kṛṣṇa. That is not good idea. Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, gopī-bhartuḥ pada-kamalayor dāsa-dāsa-dāsānudāsaḥ (CC Madhya 13.80): "I am the servant of the servant of." So you have to serve your immediate master, dāsa-dāsānudāsaḥ, servant of the Supreme Lord. If you want to jump over the original master, that is not good. Then you will be dismissed like, like my friend.
Harikeśa: Associating with you is so wonderful, and yet . . .
Prabhupāda: Just like here in Vṛndāvana, I was here, as I am sitting here. I was sitting here in this very place. That was . . . (indistinct) . . . and when I was hungry I could take my food there, same thing. So that is one thing. Just like there are many persons, but because my spiritual master wanted, so I, at seventy years old, when I thought, "Now I shall go," I went, to serve the order of my spiritual master. Otherwise, I am sitting here in Vṛndāvana. I am old man, I was chanting. Therefore, because that is my first business.
Harikeśa: Were you just waiting to finish your books?
Prabhupāda: Yes. I was just creating the situation how I shall serve my spiritual master.
Harikeśa: Oh.
Prabhupāda: Not that I was trying to directly contact Kṛṣṇa. That was not my business. This is required. If anyone wants to contact directly Kṛṣṇa, that is not possible.