Dr. Patel: We are scientist of aparā-vidyā.
Prabhupāda: Even aparā-vidyā. Even aparā-vidyā.
- bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ
- khaṁ mano buddhir eva ca
- ahaṅkāra itīyaṁ me
- bhinnā prakṛtir aṣṭadhā
- (BG 7.4)
Kṛṣṇa says, so you have to know it like that. That is Kṛṣṇa's energy...
Dr. Patel: And how it is that prakṛti is, I mean, interaction, interaction of...
Prabhupāda: He says, prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ (BG 3.27). That is stated, and also said, mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram (BG 9.10). So therefore that is final.
Dr. Patel: That is why I say, sir, that Albert Einstein used to see mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram. He used to see mayādhyakṣeṇa, God everywhere. In every atom he used to see God.
Prabhupāda: That is right conclusion.
Dr. Patel: That is Albert Einstein, and that was the grandfather of the modern scientists. So I say the scientists are not as atheist as people think.
Abhirāma(?): When Albert Einstein suggested that there must be a supreme universe, then the other scientists began to say that he was crazy. They said, "He has become too old."
Dr. Patel: Yes, yes, yes.
Abhirāma: Actually they did not believe his theory.
Dr. Patel: You are right. I mean, all intelligent men in past used to...
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. (break) ...scientist. Tad viddhi praṇipātena (BG 4.34).
Dr. Patel: But he did not the paripraśnena sevayā. I do it.
Prabhupāda: No, he thinks not yet fit to make paripraśna.
Dr. Patel: I do it
Prabhupāda: That is. That is scientist. He thinks himself not fit to make any question. Tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena (BG 4.34). When the praṇipāta is sufficiently mature, then he can make paripraśna-accompanied by sevā. Otherwise paripraśna is a waste of time. According to our Vedic system, we should not make any question to any person whose answer I cannot accept toto. Then I shall. Otherwise no use of wasting time. Praṇipāta means that you are accepting that "Here I have come. His answer will be complete." No further question. But if there is little doubt, he can submissively make question. Just like Arjuna made question to Kṛṣṇa that "You say millions of years ago You spoke this science to..."
Dr. Patel: Vivasvān.
Prabhupāda: Yes. "But You are of my age. How I can accept this?" And immediately answer was that "Both of us were present. You have forgotten. I have not forgotten." Bas. Accept it. He did not challenge, "How is that? I have forgotten? You did not forget?" And that is nonsense. That is nonsense.
Dr. Patel: Śādhi māṁ tvāṁ prapannam.
Prabhupāda: Yes. As soon as he questions like that, "How is that You have not forgotten? I have forgotten?" it is not good. Then he is not fit for making question. He should not have made question. (break) ...saw the gosvāmī?
Dr. Patel: Have you got them here?
Prabhupāda: I think we have got, eh?
Dr. Patel: The Six Gosvāmīs. I just look at him. American scientists don't come to my rescue. (break) (laughs) (Hindi) Our ātmā.... (Hindi) Kuṇape tri-dhātuke. We are not God conscious, any one of us. Practically hardly for us, small way, perhaps. So we are go-khara, then, in right sense.
Prabhupāda: When he admits that he's a go-khara, he's not go-khara.
Dr. Patel: He's not go-khara.
Prabhupāda: He's no more go-khara.
Dr. Patel: Really? (laughter)
Prabhupāda: Because go-kharas, they cannot understand their mistake. And as soon as one admits that he's mistaken, then he's human being.