Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Frankly, though, we can see by Christianity that some defect is there. Either it's probably not there on the part of Jesus. He could have given them a way to purify themself, but they . . .
Prabhupāda: One chance, that "You have accepted me; I take your all sinful reactions." But these rascals continue.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: His point was that "Now you must continue to follow my instructions."
Prabhupāda: Yes. Otherwise why ten commandments? And these rascals took it that "I shall not follow any of you. You take our sinful reaction. It is very good religion."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And therefore they say no one is more merciful than Jesus.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Even if . . . We are doing anything, but he still forgives us.
Prabhupāda: This is going on. Therefore according to history, he retired. That is resurrection. He went to Kashmir. "It is hopeless."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He didn't die on the cross.
Prabhupāda: It is not possible to kill him. Such a great personality, representative of God, he is not killed. That is not possible.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Simply by putting some wounds.
Prabhupāda: He made a show that "I am killed." That is resurrection. And when you finished your business, then he will go . . . (indistinct)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, they say that when he got down they rubbed his body with oils.
Prabhupāda: He was a great yogī and so on.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You remember in that book you were reading, The Aquarian Gospel. It mentioned how he learned yoga when he came to India.
Prabhupāda: We admit. Guru Mahārāja said śaktyāveśa-avatāra, powerful incarnation. Therefore whenever there was question of Jesus, I never disrespected Jesus, never criticized him, because I know that he is powerful representative of God. We took it from Guru Mahārāja.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Your Guru Mahārāja would sometimes . . .
Prabhupāda: He said that Christ is śaktyāveśa-avatāra, as Buddha. How he can be otherwise? He sacrificed everything for God. He cannot be ordinary man.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You want . . . (indistinct) . . .?
Prabhupāda: Hmm. That Melbourne meeting, it was . . . You were present?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, I heard about it. With the monks, I think.
Prabhupāda: They very much appreciated. Because they saw that I have got full respect for Christ and his real disciples. And actually we have. Why not? He said, "Thou shalt not kill," and they are interpreting killing. This is going on. And they are Christian. Just see how much cheating. It is clearly written, "Thou shalt not kill." And their only business is killing, and still, they are Christian. How much cheating it is. Whatever little success is in our movement, the cause is I have not tried to cheat. Honestly, what I knew, I heard it from Guru Mahārāja and scripture, I took it. There was no cheating.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, you pointed that out yesterday when you talked with Mr. Rajda, that it's an open secret. You are not introducing anything new. You are simply giving the instructions of Bhagavad-gītā, but you are not introducing anything on top of those instructions. No interpretation. As it is. That's the whole problem. They are all reading Bhagavad-gītā, these politicians, but none of them as it is.
Prabhupāda: Therefore I said, "Who understands this meaning of one line?"
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They really think that Morarji is a big religious man. They are very happy to think that their prime minister now is very, very religious. They are very pleased to think like that.
Prabhupāda: I said that my disciples rise at 3:30 and worship till 9:30. He said that he rises at 3:30 and three hours for . . . So I immediately said, "They are taking twenty-four hours."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, we don't engage in politics for the other nineteen hours. Of course, I mean, I never would have said anything, but the fact is that this is not the business of one who is eighty-four years old, to be the prime minister. It is better if he were to take up preaching Bhagavad-gītā. You gave that advice to Gandhi. He could do more good then.
Prabhupāda: They will take advantage of Bhagavad-gītā and do their business.