Prabhupada: It is very kind of you that you give this statement. If we give genuine thing, it will act.
Yogi Amrit Desai: Right. This is what I'm doing too. Everyone... We have about 180 people who live permanently in the asrama, and they all practice celibacy. Everyone wakes up at 4:00, and they sleep by 9:00. And they don't touch even each other. They sleep different quarters. They sit even separately in sat-sanga. Everything strict. No drugs, no alcohol, no meat, no tea, no coffee, no garlic, no onion.
Prabhupada: Very good. Yes. We are following this. But you have got any Deity?
Yogi Amrit Desai: Yes. Lord Krsna and Radha is our Deities. My guru is Swami Kripalu-anandi. He is in... Near Baroda he has an asrama. He practiced his sadhana for twenty-seven years, and twelve years was complete silence. The last few years he is speaking once or twice a year because many people request.
Prabhupada: He's not chanting?
Yogi Amrit Desai: He chants. During his silence, his chanting is allowed. Because when he says... When you say the name of the Lord, that is not called breaking the silence. So he chants.
Prabhupada: Silence means we shall not talk nonsense. We shall chant Hare Krsna. That is silence. Instead of wasting time, talking on this material thing, let us chant Hare Krsna. That is positive. And the silence is negative. Stop nonsense; speak sense.
Yogi Amrit Desai: Right! That is right.
Prabhupada: Param drstva nivartate (BG 2.59). Param drstva nivartate. If one ceases his nonsense, then param, the Supreme... Param drstva nivartate. When you have got better things, then you give up naturally the rubbish. So anything material, that is rubbish. Karma, jnana, yoga, they're all material. Karma, jnana, yoga. Even up to so-called yogas, they're all material.
Yogi Amrit Desai: You consider that as a material. Only bhakti-yoga is more... That's true.
Prabhupada: Yes. Karma... What is the difference between the karmis and yogis? Yogis want some siddhis, and karmis want some material profit. Both of them are in want. They are not free from want. Is it not?
Yogi Amrit Desai: No, it depends on the yogi. My guru is a yogi, but he never demonstrated any power ever.
Prabhupada: No, no... Yogi, he wants siddhi. Yogis... Of course, nowadays yogis, they have no siddhis.
Yogi Amrit Desai: (laughs) That's right. Even they don't have that.
Prabhupada: They simply say, "yogi." But the real yogi means they have got siddhis, asta-siddhi: anima, laghima, mahima, prapti, isita, vasita. These are siddhis. Yogis, if they are real yogi, then I can put you into the room, lock it, and you can come out. That is yogi, not by simply showing some posture.
Yogi Amrit Desai: That's right. They're the real siddhis.
Prabhupada: That is another thing to control the senses. But real yogis mean the first siddhi is anima. Yogi...
Yogi Amrit Desai: They can become smaller than the smallest.
Prabhupada: Smaller than the smallest. If there is little hole in the room he'll come out. Yes. Who is that yogi? That is yogi.
Yogi Amrit Desai: Not today.
Prabhupada: Therefore it is cheating. They have no siddhi.