Prabhupāda: No, if you keep God or Christ within your heart, then your heart will be purified. That means you are cheating.
Trivikrama: Yeah.
Pañcadraviḍa: Yeah, that's what it boils down to.
Prabhupāda: You are all cheaters, not Christians, but cheaters. You do not keep in the heart Christ's name or God's name, but you keep your own ideas. Therefore you think it is impossible. Otherwise, your heart would have been cleansed. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam (CC Antya 20.12).
- śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ
- puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ
- hṛdy antaḥ stho hy abhadrāṇi
- vidhunoti (suhṛt satām)
- (SB 1.2.17)
Anyone who is keeping Kṛṣṇa within his heart, he becomes cleansed of all dirty things. And because the dirty things are there, that means he is not keeping.
Acyutānanda: You know the Cardinal that you spoke with in Paris?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Acyutānanda: You know how he died?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Acyutānanda: So.
Brahmānanda: It has happenned again.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Brahmānanda: Just when I was in Germany, a big Bishop in France, he was also found in a similar... He had died in a similar circumstance.
Pañcadraviḍa: Worse state.
Brahmānanda: Worse, yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes, these things are... And in Vṛndāvana, one big Gosvāmī, he died at the house of her (his) one woman disciple, lying there, sleeping with her. There are so many.
Pañcadraviḍa: That's how this Bishop died also. He died unclothed.
Prabhupāda: Just see.
Trivikrama: And he was saying that animals have no soul.
Prabhupāda: You were present that time?
Trivikrama: I heard the tape. So now he is an animal. He knows.
Prabhupāda: (Chuckles) So I am just interested, but people will, many people will come and many theories. So you discuss among yourself how to get the strength to defend yourself and to convince them.
Acyutānanda: But unless their theology is practical, if it is not practical, then it is useless to study theology, if it has no practical application.
Prajāpati: They make that point. "Therefore," they say, "such talk about God is impractical. So therefore we don't bother talking about God."
Prabhupāda: "Then why you put theology?" That is our point. "Then why you have put this theology?" "There's no use talking of God"—that is another thing. But when you make "logy," you must come to logic. "Logy" means discussion. Is it not? "Logy" means science?
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupāda: What is the meaning of "logy"?
Ravīndra-svarūpa: Knowledge
Prabhupāda: Hmmm? Find out this dictionary meaning.
Prajāpati: Logic is the rational ordering of thoughts in words.
Pañcadraviḍa: When I was in San Francisco six or seven years ago, some new school of theology, theologians, they were having things, like they were opening up churches to the hippies to have parties for LSD and things like that. I remember a couple at the Glide Memorial Church. They had that. And a number of the other new theologians, they were starting to talk about "free sex," and drugs, and...
Acyutānanda: They put on stunts to attract people to accept Christianity.
Trivikrama: Like Bingo.
Ravīndra-svarūpa: Yes.
Acyutānanda: Bingo.
Ravīndra-svarūpa: And they have opened special churches for homosexuals in Australia.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Ravīndra-svarūpa: Special churches for homosexuals in Australia.
Devotee: Oh, all over.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All over.
Pañcadraviḍa: So see: Churches for illicit sex, churches for intoxication, churches for gambling, and churches for meat-eating.
Acyutānanda: Every (?) Sunday they all have.
Trivikrama: Once I was driving a taxi, and a woman got in the cab, and she said, "I hope my goddamn luck is better tonight." She was going to a church. (laughter) She was going to a church to play bingo, and she was speaking like that.
Śrutakīrti: There's the word "logos," "logo." "Logos" is here. It means "word, or second person of a trinity."
Prabhupāda: No, no. "Logy."
Śrutakīrti: "Logy" is not here.
Pañcadraviḍa: Logic.
Prabhupāda: Logic.