Rāmeśvara: The doctor must...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: ...save the patient. It's his duty.
Prabhupāda: No artificial dealing. Purge out.
Hari-śauri: When one actually has the power, he can do that.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: So by our preaching now, we have to try and establish a Kṛṣṇa consciousness government first through the democratic system.
Rāmeśvara: You said, "Think in terms of the whole world, not just one nation. That is our preaching." So you are training us to think very big—global.
Prabhupāda: We keep the ideal style of life. You learn, and do it. I am not encroaching upon your independence, but if you want to be happy, you follow. This is our process. Āpani ācārī prabhu jīveri śikṣāya. You be happy, very ideally, and people will learn. But this can be possible only on the basis of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If you make minus Kṛṣṇa consciousness this thing, it will never be possible. Then it will not be possible. All these scheme will be successful if there is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Hari-śauri: Only if the chanting and prasādam is there.
Prabhupāda: Prasādam, Deity worship, devotional life. Then it will be all right.
Hari-śauri: Yes. Gandhi could never implement his program. It was a failure.
Prabhupāda: Nobody can do. They simply... Even... What is that? Marx? He could not. There is no real attraction. Artificial, by force. Here the real attraction is Kṛṣṇa. So other thing he doesn't mind: "Let there be little inconvenience. I don't mind."
Hari-śauri: A devotee is actually getting a higher taste. He's getting some real enjoyment, so he doesn't care for the other things.
Prabhupāda: So unless there is enjoyment he cannot stick. But that enjoyment is Kṛṣṇa.
Hari-śauri: Just that chanting is enough. It's just so much nectar.
Prabhupāda: No, everything—Deity worship, chanting, kīrtana, preaching, publishing, distributing—everything.
Rāmeśvara: This requires superintelligence. Just like, say, in Los Angeles there are two hundred devotees. It is taxing our brains how to give proper engagement to every one of them.
Prabhupāda: Well, this engagement is: "Go and sell books." That engagement is already there.
Rāmeśvara: Yes, but some are not qualified, some householders...
Prabhupāda: It is not the question of quality, of... It doesn't matter whether he sells one book or hundred books. It doesn't matter. Let him be engaged, that's all.
Rāmeśvara: That's what I'm saying. To find the proper engagement, the best utilization of every man's...
Prabhupāda: This is very good engagement, very good engagement. Go door to door. I don't mind if you no sell. But you have gone. That's all. I don't mind. It is not business, that "Because you could not sell anything, your salary will be dismissed." No. There is no such question.
Rāmeśvara: But then they feel dissatisfied. Then they would prefer to do something else, where they can perform better, they can accomplish something more.
Prabhupāda: No, no. No, no, no.
Hari-śauri: Our devotees tend to work on a fruitive basis.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Hari-śauri: If they don't get some result from their activity, they become discouraged.
Rāmeśvara: In other words, sometimes...
Prabhupāda: Now, who said that "You don't bring money"? But I am not discouraging you, even if you don't bring money.
Gargamuni: When we took sannyāsa, you told us to go door to door.
Prabhupāda: That's all!