Rāmeśvara: Industry. Now hundreds of thousands of people have their jobs in this way. So...
Prabhupāda: Let them go to the farm. We are therefore organizing farm. As soon as they are jobless, "Come on. We shall feed you. We shall give you food." There is no scarcity of food.
Hari-śauri: Does that mean we have to wait for the situation to arise where they are jobless?
Prabhupāda: No. Wait... We are waiting, but if anyone comes, we have already big, big farms. "Come, hundreds. We shall provide you."
Hari-śauri: But this is talking in terms of millions of people who are engaged in America in the cities.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Let millions... The land is also millions' acres. We shall utilize gradually.
Rāmeśvara: Now, what I am thinking is this, that you have mentioned many times, several times, that there is a conflict which is inevitable between Russia and America.
Prabhupāda: Hm. No, if they understand Kṛṣṇa consciousness, both of them—now we are publishing—then there will be no conflict on...
Rāmeśvara: If Russia...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: But if not...
Prabhupāda: Then we shall force America to fight with them. Finish this philosophy.
Rāmeśvara: Now, if this conflict takes place, then you mentioned that many cities both in America and Russia will be bombed or affected by this conflict.
Prabhupāda: Hm, hm.
Rāmeśvara: So when the war is finished...
Prabhupāda: Then they will come to their senses.
Rāmeśvara: Then there will be nothing left. Their jobs, their factories, it will all... So then they'll be able to easily understand, "Now let us start again. We'll live on the farm. Simpler life."
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: But...
Prabhupāda: Yes. That will be good lesson for them.
Rāmeśvara: So is this conflict part of the spreading of Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām (BG 4.8). To... Conflict means to finish the sinful activities, finish, stop it.
Rāmeśvara: It seems that then this conflict will be a great opportunity for our movement.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Rāmeśvara: And afterwards there will be an opportunity to influence people.
Prabhupāda: We shall take every opportunity. We are the best opportunists. Ānukūlyena kṛṣṇanu... This is ānukūla. This is favorable for spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We shall immediately accept. It doesn't matter what it is. We do not depend on the public opinion—"This is good" or "This is bad." Our "good" "bad" is: if it is favorable for spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it is good; otherwise bad.
Rāmeśvara: So it seems that as our movement grows more and more...
Prabhupāda: Strong.
Rāmeśvara: ...then America will more and more be considering active stopping of Communism. It'll be logical.
Prabhupāda: Everything will be stopped, all bogus social, political or religious systems. They will be all stopped.
Rāmeśvara: Then this will be a natural development of the growth of the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Two things: paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām (BG 4.8). As the duṣkṛtā—na māṁ duṣkṛtā mūḍhāḥ—will be reduced, the sādhu will increase. Or the sādhu will increase, the duṣkṛta will decrease.
Rāmeśvara: This conflict will be global. It will affect the whole world.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. That doesn't matter.
Hari-śauri: We're already in every country now.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the Kurukṣetra fight.
Rāmeśvara: So this conflict will take place...
Prabhupāda: Support Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja and kill Duryodhana. This is Kurukṣetra.
Rāmeśvara: It seems our movement has to grow much more...
Prabhupāda: It will grow.
Rāmeśvara: ...before this will take place.
Prabhupāda: It will grow: It is growing. Simply our workers should be very sincere and strict, and it will it grow. Nobody can check. That's a fact. Simply we have to be very strict and sincere. Then nobody can check.
Rāmeśvara: Because after such a conflict the whole world will...
Prabhupāda: Conflict is already there. Just like they're opposing.
Rāmeśvara: But I mean actual destruction of their culture, their...
Prabhupāda: Now they are trying to destroy us. And we are trying to destroy them. The conflict is already there. And this is now psychological fight. And then there will be actual fight. And we must take part in that fight.
Rāmeśvara: We will be the only ones who have any vision what to do after the war.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We have got clear vision. We are not putting any theory. We are always presenting fact, and that is materializing. Just like we started this farm. It is materializing gradually. It is not yet fully organized; still, there is hope that it will give peace to the people. There is sufficient hope.
Hari-śauri: Is our goal to actually establish Vedic principles back into society again at large?
Prabhupāda: Yes.