Brahmānanda: So that can go on the top of the certificate?
Prabhupāda: And one who is learned scholar, then "śāstrī," "bhakti-śāstrī."
Harikeśa: In other words, you want "ārādhana-kovida" instead of "pūjā-kovida."
Prabhupāda: Hm. This is like Bachelor of Arts, Bachelor of Science, like that. Ārādhana-kovida. A.K. (laughter) Instead of B.A., A.K. Make nice paper, nice script, and the titles should be written in handwriting so that he can frame it and keep it.
Hari-śauri: Should there be some kind of a seal?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Harikeśa: We have an ISKCON seal.
Prabhupāda: ISKCON seal or seal like that.
Hari-śauri: Yeah, that's what I meant, like...
Prabhupāda: Gradually we shall increase so that... It should be attractive. He'll like to keep it. People should be encouraged. Utsāha. Utsāha. Utsāha is an item in bhakti, first the utsāha. Just like this boy. He did not come here, so he's so utsāha, enthusiasm. So he should be encouraged. And the whole basis of the devotional service is utsāha. Just like unless there was utsāha, how a man of seventy years old, without any hope, could go to such distant place from Vṛndāvana to New York? The only platform was utsāha. So utsāha is so important thing. Means they should be encouraged, spiritual life. Utsāhān niścayād dhairyāt tat-tat-karma-pravartanāt (Upadeśāmṛta 3). All right. Thank you.
Devotees: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda. (offer obeisances) Thank you.