Director: Our minister regards himself as a servant of the people, who can be kicked out in...
Prabhupāda: That is the defect. The people are rascals, and they have elected another rascal. (laughter) That is the defect.
Director: But that's how it is.
Prabhupāda: So what can be done? Then hopeless.
Director: Well, you can work on the...
Prabhupāda: But we are going without depending on these rascals. We are going on. We are publishing our books, we are making our movement, we honestly trying. That's all. That we are doing all over the world.
Director: All we can do is allow you to convince the population differently.
Prabhupāda: Yes, we are doing.
Director: And when you do that, then social welfare...
Prabhupāda: Now suppose if we instruct a man, "Please do not have illicit sex." Have you got any objection?
Director: Pardon?
Prabhupāda: If I advise somebody that "Do not have illicit sex," have you got any objection?
Director: Yes, I have...
Prabhupāda: You have illicit... If I say...
Director: I like sex, and my wife likes sex. We just enjoy. We couldn't live without it. Our marriage is happier because we have sex.
Prabhupāda: Just see. (chuckling) This is the position.
Director: That is the position. We are both...
Prabhupāda: So how they have accepted? (referring to devotees)
Director: I don't know. I don't know. But I couldn't. Our life is enjoying sex, and our marriage is happier with sex.
Prabhupāda: No, we don't prohibit sex. But we prohibit...
Director: ...but don't have two children...
Prabhupāda: ...illicit sex.
Director: Well, we use the pill, or use contraceptives, use all kind of things. Because it makes our...
Prabhupāda: Why do you use contraceptive?
Director: Because we don't want any more children.
Prabhupāda: Then why don't you stop sex?
Director: Because we like sex.
Prabhupāda: Just see.
Director: Because we enjoy it.
Prabhupāda: That means you go to physician, "I want to do everything I like; still I want treatment." This is the position. You want...
Director: I didn't come for treatment. (laughter) You asked me about my...
Prabhupāda: No, no, I say... (laughs) No, no, you have come for treatment here because you have failed to control the society, your activities; therefore you have come here, treatment. But when I prescribe medicine, you don't accept.
Director: I haven't come for treatment.
Prabhupāda: No... Yes. Otherwise why you come?
Director: I was invited.
Prabhupāda: Just to help you in your social activities, social welfare activities. To take some suggestion from us. But when we give the suggestion, you reject it. That is your position. You have come here to take some suggestion so that you can make your activities very nice, but when we suggest, you reject it.
Director: I'm two people—I'm myself and I'm a public servant.
Prabhupāda: Any, anyone. That is the position. For treatment we go to a physician, and the physician prescribes medicine, you reject it. So how you will be cured? That is the position. When the prescription is given, you want to put it in the votes of other patients. What the patient will know about the prescription? They are patients. There is no question of...
Director: If I would come here and want to join your movement, I would accept it.
Prabhupāda: No, you join or not join, you have come here to consult us if we can help your activities. But when we prescribe, you do not accept it. That is your position.
Devotee: He has to go now, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Give him prasāda. Just wait. So to..., actually to make the whole human society happy, this God consciousness movement must spread.
Director: Well, I'll certainly report back. Thank you very much for seeing me.
Prabhupāda: Just little wait.
Devotee (2): We have some nice foodstuffs which we're just preparing to (indistinct).
Director: It's part of the...
Devotee (3): Yeah, yeah. It's a custom. Śrīla Prabhupāda said to give prasādam to everyone.
Prabhupāda: It is our custom that if anyone comes, he should be offered a nice seat and given some eatables. Yes.