Pañcadraviḍa: Allen Ginsberg, he said that, that you were very conservative.
Prabhupāda: Yes, because he wants to be cheated. And he cheats others. Some followers, he is cheating.
Pañcadraviḍa: Yato mat tato pat.
Prabhupāda: Yato mat tato pat. Yes, this is going on. This business, cheaters and cheated. We preach to one, the innocent persons who are being cheated, and we don't want to cheat anybody, but what Kṛṣṇa says. Our business is very simple.
Devotee: So we should expose these bogus . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, we are exposing, that is our business.
Devotee: Actually, by making such wonders they are exposing themselves.
Prabhupāda: That is fact.
Devotee: Just like Guru Maharaj-ji.
Prabhupāda: Anyone. Why Guru Maharaj-ji? Any Mahārāja. Any man who will speak something which is not in the instruction of Caitanya Mahāprabhu and Kṛṣṇa, he is cheating. Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: But if we take that we are the only way, then people call us fanatics.
Prabhupāda: They may say. They are themselves fanatics. Who cares for them? If a madman says you are madman, I have to accept? No. He must be a sane man. Then there is some meaning. He is calling me madman, but he is a . . . If I am blind and if another man, he is blind, he says you are blind, so what is the use?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So is the principle to first prove that they are insane and then afterwards that we're sane, or first to prove that we're sane and then . . .
Prabhupāda: Our proof is that we are following the sane man's instruction, or sane being, the Supreme Being. There cannot be any mistake. Therefore, we are sane.