Pradyumna: (leads chanting of verse) (devotees repeat)
- ke vayaṁ nāma-rūpābhyāṁ
- yadubhiḥ saha pāṇḍavāḥ
- bhavato 'darśanaṁ yarhi
- hṛṣīkāṇām iveśituḥ
- (SB 1.8.38)
Translation: "As the name and fame of a particular body is finished with the disappearance of the living spirit, similarly, if You do not look upon us, all our fame and activities, along with the Pāṇḍavas and the Yadus, will end at once."
Prabhupāda: So this is the case not only with the Pāṇḍavas, but every one of us. When somebody dies, big man, big scientist, big politician, big philosopher, when he's dead, the big name, "Here is Mr. Nixon, here is Mr . . . Sir Isaac Newton, or . . ." this is name. Nāma-rūpābhyām. Nāma means name, and rūpa means form.
So, so long we are living, our name, our fame, our form, our activities are glorious, very good. And as soon as the life is gone, nobody cares; it is a lump of matter, that's all. Now at the . . . when one is living, a big man, nobody can go before him or touch him—there are so many guards. But the same man, when he's dead, if he's lying on the floor, if somebody kicks on his face, nobody cares—finished.
So we should understand this, that after the disappearance of the body . . . soul, this so-called big name, big fame, important body has no value. And what is that soul? That soul is part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Therefore our energy of Kṛṣṇa. So when the energy is withdrawn or Kṛṣṇa is not there, the energy . . . Kṛṣṇa's energy and Kṛṣṇa is no difference. Śakti-śaktimator abhedaḥ (Brahma-sūtra). Just like the sun. Sun is the śaktimān, energetic, and the sunshine is the energy. So, so long the sunshine is there, the sun is there. There is no difficulty. When the sun is not there, the sun's energy's also not there. Similarly Kṛṣṇa, so long Kṛṣṇa is within us, within this body . . .
Kṛṣṇa's energy . . . there are . . . two things are always. The Māyāvādī philosophers, they do not accept the energy. Simply they accept the energetic impersonal. No. We must accept the energy and the energetic, both. Śakti-pariṇāma. Śakti, śakti means energy. By the energy, everything is going on. The energetic is aloof. Just like the sun—we can very easily understand; the example is just before us. The sun is there, the sunshine is there, and within the sun globe there is the sun-god. But we, so-called scientists, we are studying the sun from 93,000,000's of miles away, and we are taking very pride that we are studying the sun. If you have studied sun, why don't you go there? Go there, and enter into the sun planet. This is a material thing. And what to speak of the spiritual thing?
So the sunshine is working because the sun globe is there, the sun-god is there. Similarly, the material energy is working. This cosmic manifestation made of earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and ego . . . these are the eight ingredients of this material manifestation. So these eight material elements, they are energies, separated energy. Bhinnā me prakṛtir aṣṭadhā (BG 7.14). And because the energetic is there behind this energy . . . just like electric power. We are using electric power, but behind this electric power there is the powerhouse and there is the engineer who is producing the power. The rascals, they do not understand this. They simply see the power. But behind the power there is the power-maker, the source of power. They do not understand it. Therefore Kṛṣṇa comes and says that, "I am the power-maker. I am behind this power."