Prabhupāda: Syphilis, yes. So in India the syphilis is a very horrible disease. So he exclaimed, "Oh, it is horrible!" The doctor, that Colonel Mellar?(?), he was astonished: "Why you say it is horrible? In your country they suffer, ninety percent, from malaria. That's not horrible?" So the example is that when you are suffering, for a doctor, either you are suffering from malaria or from syphilis, we are suffering from disease. Why you say, "This disease is horrible than that disease"? Actually, this is the fact. Why should you discriminate? So he chastised him, that "As a medical man, you cannot say this disease is more dangerous than that. Every disease is dangerous." Actually you should take that. Suffering, three kinds of suffering—ādhyātmika, ādhibhautika . . . The suffering is there. If you say ādhyātmika suffering is better than ādhibhautika suffering, that is foolishness. Atyantika-duḥkha-nivṛttiḥ. Spiritual life means to end all kinds of suffering. That is spiritual life. Not that I get free myself from this kind of suffering and I accept that kind of suffering. This is not good conclusion. Atyantika-duḥkha. Duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam (BG 8.15). This place is duḥkhālayam, full of miseries. And Kṛṣṇa is canvassing, "Why you are suffering? Come to Me." This mercantile community, they are earning money for mitigating suffering, but for earning money they are accepting any means. In future he is creating field of another suffering. That he does not know. He thinks, "Now, if I get money somehow or other, my present sufferings will be mitigated." But he does not know that he is creating another field of suffering.
Brahmānanda: In the next life.
Prabhupāda: Next life or this life. Suppose you are earning money in the black market. As soon as you will be arrested, you will be pun. . . Just like so many people are put into jail. Why they are put into jail? They have done something, big, big leaders.
Brahmānanda: In the past. They have done something in the past and now they are suffering.
Prabhupāda: "In the past" means in this life.
Brahmānanda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So as soon as you do something wrong, you must suffer, either by government's laws or by nature's law.