Man (4): I've read about Hubbard's Scientology and a lot of the writings that Hubbard writes sound a lot like the theory of Hare Kṛṣṇa. Is there any parallel at all between the two, or have you taken any opinion on side (?) both your cases? You know anything about that?
Madhudviṣa: He is saying is there any similarities between the philosophy of Scientology...
Prabhupāda: What is that Scientology? I do not know. (laughter, applause) I do not know. Can you explain what is this Scientology?
Man (4): It's just a teaching that's supposed to be fairly widespread. (laughter)
Madhudviṣa: Yes?
Man (5): Can you give any explanation about the spiritual, around the earth. If they are all luminous?
Madhudviṣa: He wants to know something about psychic phenomena.
Prabhupāda: Psychic phenomena is the subtle materialism. There are two material conditions: one gross condition, one subtle condition. Gross condition is created by the five elements—earth, water, fire, air, and ether. And the subtle elements are mind, intelligence and ego, false ego. So all these eight elements, they are material. One section is gross, and another section is subtle. So the psychology means the subtle material elements. It is material; it is not spiritual. It is subtle.