Prabhupāda: And so long you are in aparā-vidyā, you remain a rascal.
Dr. Patel: No, but we always have to put up our step on the aparā-vidyā. Then you put up your step on the parā-vidyā. You can't jump over it.
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. No. There is no question of jumping, but things should be realized as it is. Aparā... This is aparā. This is parā. So this is inferior; this is superior. That you have to admit.
Dr. Patel: This was the question of Nārada Muni himself in the beginning.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. And it is explained about aparā-vidyā, antavat tu phalaṁ teṣāṁ tad bhavaty alpa-medhasām (BG 7.23). Therefore rascal, alpa-medhasa. Alpa means no brain, no brain.
Dr. Patel: They have got those questions of bhakti other than of Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Dr. Patel: Alpa, alpa...
Prabhupāda: This aparā-vidyā.... Parā-vidyā means Kṛṣṇa. Parā-vidyā means Kṛṣṇa. So one who.... Unless one comes to the point of Kṛṣṇa, he is in the aparā-vidyā. And aparā-vidyā is meant for the less intelligent class of men. Tad bhavaty alpa-medhasām.
Dr. Patel: Then the whole question was, sir, here in Upaniṣad that...
Prabhupāda: Upaniṣad is parā-vidyā.
Dr. Patel: But when, when Muni went...
Prabhupāda: Upaniṣad is the beginning of parā-vidyā.