Bali Mardana: When people realize they cannot enjoy so much in this life, they worry more about what is going to happen to them in the next life.
Prabhupāda: No, how does... They do not know what is next life?
Bali Mardana: They don't know.
Prabhupāda: They make it zero. Therefore, closing the eye. "There is no next life. Finished. There is no next life." In that way they're satisfied. Just like the rabbit. There is danger, enemy, he closes his eyes. He thinks there is no danger. (devotees laugh) So these rascals are like that. Because they cannot accommodate that this life is so troublesome, again, next life... So that they can realize. Next life means again troublesome; that's why they sometimes commit suicide. They think that after suicide it will be zero, so no trouble. These are all ignorance.
Karandhara: In psychology that's called repression.
Prabhupāda: Repression.
Karandhara: Taking something which is a fact, but refusing to believe it, pushing it out of your mind, repressing it.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Bali Mardana: There is a philosophy called Stoicism. They believe they... This life is meant to suffer, so they should just become very sturdy to suffer a great deal.
Prabhupāda: So sturdy or not sturdy, you have to suffer. How you can check? We cannot change by simply... Becoming sturdy...
Bali Mardana: No, stoic.
Prabhupāda: Ah. What is that?
Bali Mardana: It's a philosophy, a school of philosophy, stoic.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. What is their conclusion?
Bali Mardana: That the world is very, is full of suffering...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Bali Mardana: ...so they become very sturdy to bear the suffering.
Yaśodānandana: Emotionless.
Prabhupāda: So one who can suffer without any protest, he's first-class man.
Bali Mardana: (laughs) Yeah.
Prabhupāda: That means they do not know how to stop suffering.
Bali Mardana: Yeah.
Prabhupāda: The... Here is one class, they're trying to become very strong to tolerate suffering, and other philosophies, they're making everything zero. There is no question of not suffering, but making zero. No suffering, nor neither suffering. Suffering or not..., both of them abolished, dismissed. This philosopher is... "This suffering cannot be dismissed. Therefore you be strong to tolerate it." Other philosophers they say, "There is suffering, so make it zero." But both of them have no information that there is real life where there is no suffering. Still there is life. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There is life, but no suffering.