Svarūpa Dāmodara: Life started from life.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: It cannot start from matter.
Prabhupāda: No. If you can establish this theory, you will get also Nobel Prize. Yes, try to . . . yes, do it. And all these rascals will be defeated. Do that. Their so-called theory that life has come out of matter . . . do this by your education. Yad-uttamaśloka-guṇānuvarṇanam (SB 1.5.22). Here is life: Kṛṣṇa. Here begins everything. Kṛṣṇa says, ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate (BG 10.8). Kṛṣṇa says. Vedānta says. Janmādy asya yataḥ (SB 1.1.1). Everything is there. Simply we have to present it scientifically. That's all.
So you were the only person to protest against him in the meeting?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. Nobody asked any questions.
Brahmānanda: Blind leading the blind.
Prabhupāda: That's all. Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānāḥ (SB 7.5.31). Anyway, he has admitted, "I do not know." That is sufficient defeat for him. But they are shameless. In spite of being defeated, they won't admit that, "I am defeated." Not gentlemen. Formerly, between two learned scholars there will be argument. If one is defeated . . . just like Sarvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya. As soon as he became defeated, he became His disciple. That's all. That was the system.
Not that we go on arguing for hours, and one is defeated—still he remains the same. No. If you are defeated, then you must accept the other party as your master. That was the system. As soon as he said that, "I do not know," he should have become your disciple. That is the system. "If you do not know, why you have come to teach me?"
Svarūpa Dāmodara: He should come and become a disciple of Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: No, Prabhupāda . . . no. We want everyone to become Kṛṣṇa's disciple. That is our mission. We are disciplic succession. The original master is Kṛṣṇa. (end)