Bhagavan: In the Bhagavad-gita Krsna says ye yatha mam prapadyante tams tathaiva bhajamy aham (BG 4.11), as they surrender...
Prabhupada: Everything is said there, we are discussing one point, that, one is, if we are convinced, that requires education. Love, we are being frustrated every point. Now when the perfectional point we shall come, that is by loving the original objective. There are so many examples. Just like a child, he is not happy in another woman's lap, cries. But as soon as he comes to the lap of his own mother, he's immediately happy. So, we are trying to be happy so many ways, but we are not becoming happy. When we come to the real point of loving Krsna... Love is there. I want to love somebody, everyone, but that is not being properly utilized. Therefore we are unhappy. So when you come to the stage of loving Krsna, then you'll become happy. This is the point. That is being instructed by our Krsna consciousness movement. Now to love Krsna, Krsna never says that "In order to love Me, you have to go to the factory or to work somewhere fifty miles away from home." He does not say all this. Simply, man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji. The question may be raised that if I want to love Krsna, then how other things will go on? This question may be raised. Krsna never says that "You have to go to the factory, earn money, and then you can love me." He never makes this condition. Is there any condition? (laughter) Now practical person will say "If I think of Krsna always, then wherefrom money will come?" This question may be raised. How you'll answer it?
Bhagavan: Krsna says yoga-ksemam vahamy aham (BG 9.22).
Prabhupada: Ah, find out this verse.
Bhagavan:
- ananyas cintayanto mam
- ye janah paryupasate
- tesam nityabhiyuktanam
- yoga-ksemam vahamy aham
- (BG 9.22)
"But those who worship Me with devotion, meditating on My transcendental form -- to them I carry what they lack and preserve what they have."
Prabhupada: The same thing. This meditation is man-mana bhava mad-bhaktah. Always think of Krsna. So those who are engaged in this way, always thinking of Krsna, worshiping Krsna, for such persons, Krsna says yoga-ksemam vahamy aham (BG 9.22), "I personally carry all the necessities of life. I personally carry." My point is that here in this New Mayapura, if you simply carry on this man-mana bhava mad-bhaktah, then all your necessities will come automatically, don't bother. (laughter) That is my point, Yes. You'll get sufficient food, sufficient milk, sufficient fruits, flowers, all necessities. Simply you act on behalf of Krsna and think of Krsna, and don't bother about the necessities of life. It will be automatically supplied. Don't be disturbed from that point of view. Simply engage yourself in this business of man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru (BG 18.65). That is my point.
Yogesvara: Srila Prabhupada? How are we to determine how much of our endeavor should be for our own personal progress?
Prabhupada: There is no personal endeavor. There is no personal endeavor. Just like these animals, they have no personal endeavor. They are depending on you. If you cut his throat, you can cut. And if you give him protection, you can give him. But they, the animals has no personal endeavor. That is full surrender. That is our position. Remain fully surrendered to Krsna and He'll give you protection. That you are thinking, how the animal will live, how these children will live. It is not the children's business, not the animal's business. He is fully surrendered, that's all. Man-mana bhava mad-bhaktah. Other things will be done. Krsna says yoga-ksemam vahamy aham (BG 9.22). "I shall do that." Why your personal endeavor?
Yogesvara: Sometimes if we are faced with a service we think is beyond our means.
Prabhupada: Huh? Where is that? Man-mana bhava mad-bhaktah is beyond your means? That we have already discussed. It is not beyond your means. If you think of Krsna who can check it? Why do you say beyond your means?
Bhagavan: Ahaituky apratihata. It cannot be checked.
Prabhupada: It cannot be checked. Ahaituky apratihata. There is no question of checking.