Prajāpati: In the Bible it is also. An attempt was made to build a big, huge tower up to heaven. And the Lord was not very pleased with this attempt, and He scattered all the people. (referring to waves) Just wants to touch your lotus feet, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: That's all right.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Big, powerful waves, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Big, powerful waves.
Prabhupāda: No, not very much. Up to this powerful. (laughter) Up to ten feet, that's all. (break)
Prajāpati: . . . if these world leaders and scientists could hear your nectarean words and accept them and surrender, the world would be a very wonderful place.
Prabhupāda: Then make them. That is your duty. I am talking to you, and you talk to them. That is paramparā system. Alone, I cannot go everywhere. Now you learn and you speak.
Hṛdayānanda: Jaya. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . first-class economist. We are trying to save the state money from being unnecessarily squandered away. The so-called scientists, politicians, they are simply wasting money. (break)
Prajāpati: . . . feel this condition is hopeless.
Prabhupāda: No, not at all. You simply expose these rascals, and everything hopeful. You have to know how to expose these rascals. That's all.
Hṛdayānanda: So the more we preach and chant, the more we become purified.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You have to become powerful spiritually. Then you'll be able. If you remain weak and manufacture your own way, then it will not be possible.
Hṛdayānanda: Oh. Jaya. (break)
Prajāpati: . . . think the strength is our own, though.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Prajāpati: We should not think that this is our own strength.
Prabhupāda: No. We have to work by the strength of Kṛṣṇa. Buddhi-yogaṁ dadāmi tam (BG 10.10). He'll give, supply the strength. Or, in other words, you have already got the strength. You have to revive it. That's all. Actually, that is the position. As spiritual spark, we have got immense strength. But we are now identifying with this body. (break) . . . hill. It was formerly very high. Now why it has gone down, this hill?
Hṛdayānanda: Oh, rocks.
Prabhupāda: Rocks, yes.
Karandhara: Because the ocean's moved up. It's just that the tides are way in.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: The waves are bigger.
Prabhupāda: But . . .
Karandhara: They used to be able . . . there used to be a big pipe you could see, but now it's all covered under the ocean.
Prabhupāda: Yes, but daily we see it is covered. Why? That means?
Śrutakīrti: The tides go in and out.
Prajāpati: The phases of the moon, Śrīla Prabhupāda, affect the tides.
Prabhupāda: That I know. Or due to this moon, yes. Now it will go down, after this full moon. Yes. (break)
Prajāpati: . . . Christmas, Śrīla Prabhupāda. They'd be better off celebrating the fact that you're here.
Prabhupāda: I say they are not Christian. They're all atheists. Christians, one who is actually Christian, he's good. But they are not Christians. They do not believe in Christ, neither in his words. So what kind of Christian they are?
Hṛdayānanda: They're such rascals that some of the young student so-called Christians, they even preach that.
Prabhupāda: Similarly, any Hindus, so-called Hindu, if he does not believe in the words of Kṛṣṇa, what kind of Hindu he is? He's a rascal. He's a rascal.