Madhavananda: It's our duty in society to show everyone how to work for Krsna and become happy in life.
Prabhupada: That is yajna. To work for Krsna means yajna. Yajnarthe karma: "For yajna, performing yajna, one has to work." To work for Krsna means yajna. That is performance of yajna. (break) ...Communistic idea is borrowing this idea from... But because they are imperfect, they have made center, state. And because it is imperfect, it is not successful. They have made center the state. (break) Tamo-guna means laziness and sleep. The sudras, they are in laziness and sleep. So if they have got something to eat, they will not work. Laziness. Or eat more and sleep. This is tamo-guna. And rajo-guna means they are working for sense gratification. That is also useless. Tamo-guna is laziness and sleeping, and rajo-guna means working foolishly or for sense gratification. And sattva-guna means they know how to work. And therefore above this sattva-guna they become devotee, work for Krsna. So without working for Krsna, everyone is under the spell of these modes of material nature. And there is no training how to work for Krsna. That is the defect of modern civilization.
Adi-kesava: Sometimes people criticize us, saying we are teaching everyone how to do nothing, that we are teaching them about God, but how are we going to teach anyone to practically survive in the world? Sometimes they say like that, that we don't have any practical instruction as well.
Prabhupada: Practical? What is not practical? We are not eating? We are not sleeping?
Adi-kesava: Yes, they are saying, "Oh, when will you learn to do a trade? When will you learn to perform business, or when will you learn to become a doctor, if you are always studying..."
Prabhupada: But you are doctor already. Why shall I become doctor? You serve me. We serve you by giving you Krsna consciousness; you serve me as a doctor. What is the wrong there? Parasparartham. I am for you; you are for me. Division of labor, that is accepted universally. So ask them, "Do you think that everyone should become doctor? Then where is the patient?" Eh? Everything is required. Similarly, you require our help also. It is cooperation. You know medical science; we know spiritual science. So let us exchange and be happy. Why you are envious of us? Why there is division in the body -- head, arms, legs, belly? Why not everything head or everything leg? Why there is divided? That is nature. It is required. Why this road is neglected?
Madhavananda: It's mismanagement.
Adi-kesava: Even they are saying that, that we don't know how to, we're not teaching anything practical.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Adi-kesava: Even sometimes they are saying we're not teaching anything practical.
Prabhupada: What does he mean by practical?
Adi-kesava: Practical? They're thinking we don't know how to operate in the material world.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Adi-kesava: They're thinking we don't know how to manage things.
Prabhupada: We are not managing things? Hm? Brahmananda? You are not managing?
Brahmananda: We manage all day long. (laughing)
Adi-kesava: Even my father is a big businessman. He said to me, "Who is this person that taught you to manage like this?" He said, "I wish I could get him to teach all my men."
Prabhupada: So why don't you ask your father to join for management? Eh?