Brahmānanda: Just like in Bombay you mentioned that Lilavati Munshi . . . there was one house . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Brahmānanda: . . . and you were trying to get that house . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, and she took away.
Brahmānanda: . . . and you were prevented.
Prabhupāda: She took away. Because I was trying to organize a League of Devotees from that house, and Kṛṣṇa wanted, "What is this nonsense? You are stick here, in Jhansi? You come here, in open field." That was Kṛṣṇa's intent. But I thought that "Even Kṛṣṇa took away this?" This Lilavati Munshi.
Śyāmasundara: Now her institution is . . .
Prabhupāda: But my intention was to start this movement.
Śyāmasundara: Yeah.
Prabhupāda: I was simply planning in different way. Therefore Kṛṣṇa's favor. I never deviated from this plan. Since I heard it from my Guru Mahārāja, I've simply planning how to do it successfully. But I thought at that time that, "I'll be able to do it if I get some money. Let me do some business for the time." That I was thinking. But Kṛṣṇa said: "Even if you are pauper, you try; you'll get everything." But I thought, "Without money, how this can be done?" That was difference of opinion with Kṛṣṇa, argument. And I was dreaming also, Guru Mahārāja asking me, "Come on." So I was going. So I was, "Oh, I have to go? I have to take sannyāsa?" (laughs)
Śyāmasundara: You, you dreaming?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Guru Mahārāja said, "Come. Come with me." I was going. But that . . . many things happened before this. Yes. And at last it became, in America.
Śyāmasundara: Did you tell everyone you were leaving, or you simply disappeared?
Prabhupāda: No, I never said. Oh, why shall I? I lost all friends, money, everything.