Girirāja: Do they have many birds in Bhuvaneśvara?
Prabhupāda: Wherever there are nice trees, there will be birds.
Guru dāsa: Girirāja is asking, he thinks there are more birds in Bombay than in Bhuvaneśvara. Girirāja Prabhu is stating there is more birds in Bombay.
Dr. Patel: There are more crows in Bombay than any other place. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: No, no. They are also birds.
Dr. Patel: There are very more filthier, for the crows, to clean.
Guru dāsa: So Prabhupāda should go then.
Dr. Patel: No, you see, if the good people is there, up there, you know the filth disappears.
Guru dāsa: That's what the śāstra says. The sun dries up urine in a filthy place.
Dr. Patel: So he must be here. Another argument and he will answer.
Guru dāsa: Yes, but there is also urine in Bhuvaneśvara. Indian doctor. In Bhuvaneśvara you are going to have any plan for making a temple?
Prabhupāda: What is my plan, that is always there. That is to print books and construct temples. Throughout the whole world this plan is going on. Fifty percent construction, fifty percent printing books. Whatever I get money, I give him. That's all. I am the same beggar. Either it comes ten lakhs or fifty lakhs, ten crores.
Dr. Patel: You are exhibiting this body to be "I". Acchedyo 'yam adāhyo 'yam akledyo 'śoṣya eva ca.
Prabhupāda: No, no, that is different.
Dr. Patel: You come down to body consciousness and talk to us. We want you to talk from higher consciousness.
Prabhupāda: I have no higher consciousness.
Dr. Patel: Then talk from the lower consciousness, still lower.
Prabhupāda: Why should I?
Dr. Patel: Let us go out and make a business in the stock market.
Prabhupāda: I am doing business. I am selling books. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: Stock action. Why not. It is very easy.
Prabhupāda: I am selling books.
Dr. Patel: Why not a Wall Street operation? It is very easy.
Prabhupāda: They are all engaged in doing business.
Dr. Patel: Have you wanted a businessman to come?
Prabhupāda: I am doing business.
Guest (3): (Hindi)
Dr. Patel: We can still make a bigger business in Wall Street. Have a Wall Street here in Bombay and... (laughs)
Prabhupāda: You are criticizing the bāniyās. The bāniyās criticize the doctor. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: And doctor criticizes you.
Prabhupāda: Bāniyās say, they say, nal jal jachuri tene dhaturi.(?)
Dr. Patel: Nal jal?
Prabhupāda: Jachuri.(?)
Dr. Patel: Jachuri means?
Prabhupāda: Cheating. (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: (Bengali) Or all cheating words.
Dr. Patel: But according to our śāstra, it is so.
Prabhupāda: No, no, this is according to bāniyā, the doctor is calculated...
Dr. Patel: Bāniyā is right in the way. Bāniyā is right.
Prabhupāda: (Bengali)
Dr. Patel: In Bengali.
Prabhupāda: In Bengali village there are many quacks. You know that. Everywhere. (laughter) So what their business? Nal jal yachuri tene dhaturi.(?)
Dr. Patel: In Mahābhārata in Vidura-nīti, Vidura has mentioned that a doctor should not be trusted and should not be allowed to come in the house. I am reading presently that part of Mahābhārata. Why? Because they must be right from the beginning all the times also they must be of the same type.
Prabhupāda: Another place, Vaiṣṇava says, either he is businessman, or doctor, anyone, they are all madmen.
- piśācī pāile yena mati-cchana haya
- māyā-grasta jīvera haya se bhāva udaya