Prabhupāda: The . . . our movement is an educative movement to understand the real position of living condition, and then we act. Just like if you know your real position, and if you act intelligently, then it is nice. If you do not know what is your position, what is the use of your education and acting? You do not know your real position, that is ignorance. And that is dog mentality. The dog cannot understand that he is not body, he is something else. But human intelligence is advanced. If they do not try to understand this fact, then what is the difference between him and dog?
Mike Barron: None.
Prabhupāda: That is being misused. There is no institution, no university, no education system to understand what is that living force without which it is a lump of matter. Where is that education?
Mike Barron: What do you call that force?
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Mike Barron: What do you call the force?
Prabhupāda: That is the soul, or consciousness. The same thing: the pilot. The pilot may be a small man, and the airship may be very gigantic. You can make still more. But the pilot is the same. So the body may be elephant or a small ant, but the pilot is the same. That is real understanding.
Mike Barron: Just getting off that, can I ask why you've come to Australia again? Is it . . .
Prabhupāda: I have already explained, that this is my mission, to educate people to understand himself. They are under this misconception that, "Every one of us, we are this body." That is misconception. You must know who is within the body. That is real education.
Mike Barron: And how long will . . . you'll continue this until . . .
Prabhupāda: Well . . .
Mike Barron: . . . until you die.
Prabhupāda: The knowledge is already there in the Vedic literature, but there was no discussion, at least in the Western countries. So I am trying to . . . we have got so many books, eighty-four books, writing on this science. (aside) Show him our books. They are being accepted by high learned circles. (break) . . . written not jokingly. It is a great science.