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Prabhupāda: Begin, begin. (eating) Yes. Gargamuni, you distribute this purī.
Gargamuni: Made some curry. (everyone eating for a long time)
Prabhupāda: Everything hot.
Brahmānanda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Before Kṛṣṇa consciousness, was there any purī manufactured here? No. (laughs)
Gargamuni: No. None of this.
Prabhupāda: Similarly, this body, if you always keep yourself spiritually engaged, it will act as spiritual, although it is material body. The same example. Iron rod, when it is red hot, it is not longer iron rod, although it is iron rod. You can catch it as iron rod, but touch anywhere it will burn. It has got the quality of fire. Similarly, if you always keep yourself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness then you become spiritualized. You'll act spiritually. No more material demands.
Bob: How do I do this?
Prabhupāda: This process, as they are doing. You have seen. These boys are, our six boys, they are now initiated today. It is very simple. You have to follow the four restrictive regulations and chant this beads. Very easy.
Prabhupāda: No, no, don't manufacture your ways of pleasing God. Don't manufacture. Suppose if I want to please you, then I shall ask you, "How can I serve you?" Not that I manufacture service. That is not pleasing you. Suppose if I want a glass of water. And if you manufacture that "Swamiji will be more pleased if I give him a glass of milk, hot milk," that will not please me. If you want to please me, then you should ask me, "How can I please you?" And what I order, if you do that, that will please me.
Bob: And pleasing Kṛṣṇa, then, is being a devotee of Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: The devotee means who is always pleasing Kṛṣṇa. He has no other business. That is devotee.
Prabhupāda: Just see.
Śyāmasundara: He said sometimes a car would not come by for many hours, and they would be standing in the hot sun, no trees, anything.
Prabhupāda: Oh, desert, big desert.
Śyāmasundara: A huge desert, they practically made their way across.
Prabhupāda: Just see.
Devotee (1): He said aborigines live there.
Prabhupāda: Oh, they may attack.
Prabhupāda: She comes, and she said, "Then we live separately, Advaita." He doesn't like. He's such a rascal. Such a nice, good, beautiful wife, and he's neglecting. (sounds of Prabhupāda taking prasādam) Milk, here they take cold milk, and they (makes sounds of glug-glug-glug drinking). No. Milk should be hot, and it should be taken little.
Devotee: Hm.
Prabhupāda: That is the way of taking milk. And this masala, it does not taste good. In India, especially in Northern India, Punjab, they will take at night, milk, (indistinct). No other things. They, all business men, the Marwari society, they'll take food before evening and then again they work. Then after ten they will come home and take little milk and go rest. (pause) So foundation committee is being established in Bombay making her the president of the trust. Then Giriraja will have no difficulty.
Prabhupāda: That is nothing. That period of time is relative. As human beings, we live for some time-say for a hundred years—but there are demigods who can live for millions of years. And an ant will live for only a few hours. So this is relative. But time is eternal, and what is happening in so-called human history has no consideration from the viewpoint of eternal time. That is all relative. If there is some catastrophe in ant society, the ants may be very much concerned, but human society does not take any notice of it. Similarly, if a catastrophe occurs in human society, the demigods, who are higher than us, do not consider it. Some birds or cats or dogs may be fighting, and for them it may be a catastrophe, but for us it is nothing. This is the relative world, and we should know that what has happened in this world is not worthy of consideration in terms of universal affairs. Things are coming and going like seasonal changes. Arjuna put this question to Kṛṣṇa: "This is a catastrophe! I have to kill my own men." Although Arjuna believed this to be a catastrophe, Kṛṣṇa likened it to seasonal changes. Mātrā-sparśās tu kaunteya śītoṣṇa-sukha-duḥkha-dāḥ (BG 2.14). "O son of Kuntī, the non-permanent appearance of happiness and distress and their disappearance in due course are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons." In the winter season water is not very pleasant, but in the summer it is very pleasing. What then, is the condition of water? Is it pleasing or not? The water is the same, but in touch with our skin it becomes pleasing or not according to the climatic circumstances. Just because the summer is hot, should I give up cooking?
Prabhupāda: Unpolished, rough quality rice. It is washed nicely, then mixed with little salt, then it is fried, then it is... They know the temper, fried, then they get it out. In Bengal they make. My mother used to do it. Then on sand bath, hot sand you put this prepared hot rice and puff, puff, puff, puff, puff, puff, it becomes puffed. And then you take it out. And then mesh it, to get out of the sand. Then you cook it. It is cooked in sand bath, hot sand. All this bujiya, bujiya, grains. In India there is professional maker. You... They have got hot sand always ready. You take some grains, and then you put in the hot sand and put, put, put, put, put, put, then they mesh it, return it (indistinct).
Prabhupāda: Gandhi cap.
Devotee: Indian National Congress.
Guest (1): Indian National Congress Party, independent (indistinct) national pact with Indonesia ... hot.
Devotee: The Muslims wear the black one and he says it is very hot but this is cool.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (1): ...nearly bald head, I cover with this...
Prabhupāda: Nowadays gradually, everyone is giving up cap. First of all, only the Bengalis were the capless nation. Now gradually, it has spread all over the world. Nobody uses hats or cap.
Prabhupāda: And go then up to 10:00.
Devotee (1): 8:30.
Devotee (2): It's a good system in a country with this weather, very hot in the afternoon, to close the business in the mid-day. (indistinct)
Devotee (1): :Some type of military school. Looks like naval.
Prabhupāda: this road is very nice. (indistinct) What is meaning of toko?
Devotee (1): Toko means store, shop.
Devotee (2): If they say bookstore, they say toko booko.
Prabhupāda: Toko simara? Toko simara?
Prabhupāda: By engaging. That is our school. It is a school. If a student does not learn nicely, you cannot say, "Get out." As far as possible. But when it is absolutely impossible to correct him, then you have to ask. And if there is money, equal you have to manage some money, what can be done? But I don't think if we try our best to correct him, this ultimate punishment will be required. Human being, after all human being, and our business is to teach and become ideal ourself. Āpani ācari prabhu jīvere śikhāya. We have to teach by our personal behavior. If you rise early in the morning, if you take your bath, if you sit down regularly and keep them (indistinct), how he can deny? How one can deny? It is not possible. But if I smoke, I ask others not to smoke, that will never be possible. Āpani ācari prabhu jīvere, first of all you have to be. If one is not cleansing, you shall tell me (indistinct) this way. We have to do like that. Not that I (order), "Come on, you do this. Oh, you cannot do, get out." Not that. We show him. After all, our life is sacrificed for preaching and that preaching means one should behave himself, nicely. He cannot say that "You do not do this." Just like one day in London there was some talks with Nanda Kumāra, you. He was accusing you, you were accusing him. I heard from (indistinct). So you should do in such a way that he cannot accuse you. If you ask him to rise early in the morning, take your bath, and if you do not take. Supposing some special case. I was taking early bath. Now I do not take, because due to my health. That is because... Otherwise regularly I was taking. Not even hot water. Regularly. This hot water bath I have begun in your country, otherwise I have never taken.
Brahmānanda: It's too hot.
Prabhupāda: Too hot. Electric fan required. So we are always in miserable condition. We are trying to avoid these waves so that I may not be in miserable condition by wetting my shoes. So there is always struggle. Nature is trying to put me in miserable condition, and I am trying to save myself or to keep myself comfortable. This is called struggle for existence. They say that the world is imperfect. They, do they not admit?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So imperfect means it is not congenial for my joyful life. Therefore we are inventing something to become joyful.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They say the sunshine is just some... Sun is a... There is a gaseous material, very hot temperature. So the rays are coming from the sun...
Prabhupāda: That's all right, but it can kill you. Is it not? So when did you accept with God? Sunshine, if it increases a little temperature, millions of you will be killed immediately. So why don't you accept sun as God? Therefore, according to Vedic principles, sun in the beginning is accepted as God.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They take it as a material object.
Prabhupāda: Then accept you are under its control. God means controller. Īśvara. Īśvara means controller. God means controller. So He is controlling you. It is material but it is not under your control. You are under its control. So if anything is controlling you, that is God. God means controller. If you cannot see Kṛṣṇa, you can see the sun.
Prabhupāda: No hunger.
Śrutakīrti: India is so hot. It's so hot there you don't want to eat.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śrutakīrti: Bothersome.
Dhanañjaya: It was a nice talk.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dhanañjaya: Sublime.
Prabhupāda: The subject matter is sublime.
Prabhupāda: That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. Mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtani na cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ (BG 9.4). Although you do not find Kṛṣṇa in somewhere, but His energy is acting, there. So one who has eyes to see how Kṛṣṇa's energy is acting, he sees Kṛṣṇa. Same example. Because the Prime Minister's energy is working in that office, so the Prime Minister is there present. So everything is demonstration of the energy. Just like you are in the room, you have not seen the sun, but as soon as the sunshine is there, you know that sun is there. You see the sun through the sunshine, although it is not that sun has come into your room. The sunshine, coming of the sunshine within your room, is sufficient knowledge to know that here is sun. Sun is there. That is the Vedic statement, that you can understand there is fire when there is heat. If there is light and heat, then you can understand there is fire. That heat and light is sufficient, now, what is the heat and light? This is energy of the fire. So when Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, "These material elements," bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ (BG 7.4), earth, water, fire, air, they are My energies, so if one has studied Kṛṣṇa, then as soon as He sees a great ocean, He sees Kṛṣṇa: "Oh, this is Kṛṣṇa's energy." As soon as sees a big anything, fire, water, anything, He sees Kṛṣṇa, nothing but Kṛṣṇa because He knows. Exactly in the same way, as soon as you feel heat, you know that there is fire. You don't require to see the fire. But if you feel, "Oh it is hot, oh, there must be fire."
Prabhupāda: So the iron becomes warm, warmer, and then at last, it becomes red-hot. When the iron is red-hot, it is no longer iron. It is fire. If you touch anywhere, it will burn. Although apparently it is iron rod, but because it has become red-hot, it is fire. Similarly, if you constantly keep in spiritual activities, your outward body, although it is iron and matter, it becomes spiritualized. Try to understand this example. Iron rod put into the fire, when it is red-hot, it is no longer iron rod. It is fire. Similarly this body, although material, if you constantly keep in touch with spiritual activities, then it is no longer material. It is spiritual. The body's also spiritual.
Mrs. Wells: And how long do you think this takes to...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Father Tanner: ...which is hot...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Father Tanner: ...once it's been immersed into the, you know, fire and is hot, then it must always burn, whatever you touch.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore I say...
Father Tanner: It's become... If you take your person, your spiritual man, or the person who's trying to become a spiritual man, and he could have done his best to make his contact with the spirit, he doesn't always after that be spiritual. You know. your iron has to burn. He hasn't got to be spiritual.
Prabhupāda: No, no. As the... If you keep the iron always hot, it is fire. Is it not? Similarly, if you always keep yourself within the spiritual activities, then you are spirit.
Father Tanner: You see, I don't think that the spiritual activities which are external forms can really...
Prabhupāda: No.
Father Tanner: ...of themselves change the internal man.
Prabhupāda: Yes, it changes.
Father Tanner: Now, I...
Prabhupāda: Actually, You can see here.
Prabhupāda: Every... Everything has two sides, black side and bright side. We are interested with the bright side. Black side we can point out, but anyone who is sincere, he'll take the bright side. Sajjano guṇam icchanti doṣam icchanti pāmaraḥ. There are guṇa and doṣa, fault and good qualities. So those who are sajjana, they take the good qualities, give up the bad qualities. Then there, gradually things will come out. But if we accept God, "God is all-good," then all good qualities automatically manifest. Yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā sarvair guṇais tatra samāsate surāḥ (SB 5.18.12). All good qualities manifest. If you remain with the fire, you become warm. The quality is acquired. If you remain in the sunshine, you become warm. Because sun is warm. So you acquire the quality. So if we remain always with Kṛṣṇa, then we acquire the qualities of Kṛṣṇa. So God is all-good. Therefore I become good, by association with God. It is very simple reasoning. Yes. God is all-good. So if you remain always with God, then you become good. The same example: if you remain with fire, you become warm, the quality of the fire. If you remain in sunshine, you become warm. And the more you remain, the more you become warmer, warmer. Then become hot. Yes. Just like you put one rod, iron rod in the fire. It becomes warm, warmer, warmer. Then it will be red-hot. When it is red-hot, it is no longer iron rod. It is fire. Touch anywhere, it will burn. (pause) So from Nairobi they import ghee here, I think.
Prabhupāda: What are there?
Jānakī: Milk, hot.
Prabhupāda: That's all right.
Jānakī: I think that other thing was not a good idea.
Prabhupāda: No, it was too cold.
Jānakī: Yes, it reduces heat. I will bring some hot pepper.
Prabhupāda: (break) ...is taking place. The rascal Darwin says that it is coming from monkey. Why the monkey does not produce a human being? All rascals. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāḥ. Simply rascals. His name is Neiman?
Pradyumna: Couldn't get his last, Ruby something.
Prabhupāda: Ruby, that...
Prabhupāda: Therefore it's said, jīvan-mukta. Although he is within this body, still he is mukta. Just like... Example is you take a rod, put into the fire, by association of fire, it becomes red hot. At that time, it is fire, not rod. Similarly, if one is fully Kṛṣṇa conscious, he has no other business than to glorify Kṛṣṇa, he's already in the Vaikuṇṭha. Why should he...? Therefore Kṛṣṇa-bhakta doesn't require any mukti. Muktiḥ svayaṁ mukulitāñjali sevate 'smān. Mukti's serving him. (break) ...Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, mama janmani janmani. Birth after birth. But when you go back to home, back to Godhead, there is no birth. Yad gatvā na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama (BG 15.6). You don't return. But here Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, "Birth after birth." So he's already mukta, he's already in the Vaikuṇṭha. Is that clear? Yes. Therefore Kṛṣṇa-bhakta is niṣkāma. He has no any desire. Because he's already fulfilled with all desires. He's, he's in the service of the Lord.
Prabhupāda: And summer?
Sudāmā: Summer's very hot. Hundred and five.
Prabhupāda: But there is rainfall.
Sudāmā: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Summer.
Sudāmā: Yes. There's quite a bit now. Sometimes in the winter it rains. So that one devotee brought up the point of the philosophy of "Do your own thing," and that's what the devotees were instructed in Hawaii to do. When they closed the temple, Gaurasundara just said, "Now everyone go and do your own thing for Prabhupāda."
Prabhupāda: If he does Prabhupāda's work, then where is the own thing?
Sudāmā: Yeah, right. There's...
Prabhupāda: We get the information from Bhagavad-gītā. It is said, na tad bhāsayate sūryaḥ. There is no need of sunshine. So how it can be cold? Sunshine is required where it is cold, but there is no need of sunshine. Naturally, the conclusion should be it is neither cold neither hot. It is enjoyable. Cold, heat, all troubles, they are in the material world. The spiritual world is simply blissful life, enjoying. (break) As soon as the light is there, the darkness is gone. So why in the night there is darkness if he is light? Why in the night meeting these rascals require other light, electric light, if he is light? What kind of light he is? If he is light, at least they could save the expenditure of electric lights. But why does he use electric light?
Prajāpati: He says he only sees light when he closes his eyes.
Prabhupāda: That I am speaking. Unless they... (everyone yelling at once)
Dr. Patel: He says that LSD has been invented in India.
Guest (1): No, no! I never said these things!
Dr. Patel: Don't...! Don't pervert the things! Swamiji, I am very hot on wrong things and lies! This is an utter lie if you even say so... That LSD was invented in America. I am a scientist.
Mr. Sar: That is right.
Dr. Patel: And it has been used by American boys. And a professor of American university is a friend of mine. And he has been taken horrible things about American boys. And you are talking LSD has been invented in India!
Guest (1): No! I am talking...
Prabhupāda: Even the material body is there, still he's to be taken as spiritual. That is the philosophy. The example is given: just like you have got an iron stick. You put it in the fire, and it becomes warm. And when it is red-hot, it is no more iron stick. It is fire. Do you accept this?
Dr. Patel: I accept it.
Prabhupāda: Then? Similarly, one who is always merged in Kṛṣṇa thought, his body is not material.
Dr. Patel: That way you say.
Prabhupāda: Yes! Yes, that is the way.
Dr. Patel: Now I understand.
Prabhupāda: Because his material body is not working. That is stopped. He's working simply spiritually. Therefore his body is spiritual. The same example: it has become so hot, red-hot, that it is no more working as iron rod. It is working as fire.
Dr. Patel: Because it burns anybody who touches it.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: So guru also does the same thing.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: He electrifies anybody who touches him. So we touch your feet. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: Therefore, therefore he has no material body.
Guest: And uh, then he started to say, "Well if they believe in an external God," or something like that, "then it is heretical." I says, "But nevertheless," I says, "Uh, like in the writings of, say, Meister Eckhart or the different mystics, they all seem to describe their experience in pretty much similar terms." So I said, I asked him, "Does this mean that the experience is different or not?" So then he argued, he finally says.... Well, he didn't say it directly, but what he said is that if, if you want to get the experience of touching something to find out what hot is, he says you may have different motive. Like some people may do it because it's pretty, some out of curiosity or different motive. In other words, he admitted that the experience finally was the same, even though the approach was different.
Prabhupāda: If the approach is different, suppose in the approach is to fire, the approach may be different, but heat or light is there. So why do they approach fire? But if you are approaching something else, how the same experience is there?
Prabhupāda: It is not right that he says that. Sense gratification is wrong. You cannot gratify your senses. You have to enjoy your senses in the service of the Lord. That is perfection. Hṛṣīkeṇa hṛṣīkeśa-sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate (CC Madhya 19.170). That is our only business. (break)
Devotee (lady): Thank you. I'm leaving. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...hot.
Devotee (lady): Yes. I'm just to make very hot. (break)
Harikeśa: ...to increase as we become more and more pure?
Prabhupāda: Everyone has got that intelligence, to understand and ... (end)
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Dr. Patel: Yeah. I have taken out a śloka from Bhagavad-gītā for you. And my friends always tells me not to put it before you because it will create a sort of a hot discussion. But I am going to put it.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Dr. Patel: It is this... Ye 'py... Bolo.
Guest (2) (Indian man): Ye 'py anya... (break)
Dr. Patel: ...mām. Ye 'py anya-devatā
Guest (2): Bhaktāḥ.
Prabhupāda: Yes. No, for Kṛṣṇa, all māyās are the same. Just for engineer, the electricity is the same both in the refrigerator and the heater. For us we see different, that "This is hot and this is cold." (break) ...when you are freed from all these māyās. That is Kṛṣṇa's mercy. (break) ...the sample of Kṛṣṇa's mercy...?
Dr. Patel: (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: No, no. No, Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhāgavata, yasyāham anugṛhṇāmi hariṣye tad-dhanaṁ śanaiḥ (SB 10.88.8), that "This is my mercy. The first test is that I take away everything, what he possesses."
Dr. Patel: (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: No, therefore people do not like to become Vaiṣṇava, actually. Yasyāham anughṛṇāmi. That is the first installment of his mercy. Yasyāham anughṛṇāmi hariṣye... You know this. It was questioned by Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira.
Prabhupāda: That is, means rascal. He does not see Kṛṣṇa's wonderful. If you want to see wonderful things, why don't you see the more wonderful things? But they are foolish; they are captivated with small wonderful things. That means less intelligent. Just like small children, they will be amazed by seeing small wonderful things, but his father will not be. What is the amazement, wonderful thing, Sai Baba has done? If he is creator of gold, then why he is doing business of incense? You know that? He has a big incense business exactly like us. He can create gold? Why there is incense business? (break) Caitanya Mahāprabhu used to give to His mother some gold when there was need of money. "Mother, I got this gold. So you can utilize it." The mother would think that "We are poor men, we have no gold. Wherefrom this boy brings gold?" So he (she) was doubtful because he (she) was thinking, "My son is mad, sometimes crazy." So he (she) would go, "Is it real gold? Just see." Then. "Yes, it is real gold." "Hm, how He got it?" You see. (break) ...many yogis, they make such gold for meeting their expenditures. Yes. Still in India they know how to make gold from copper. Yes. The process is they will drink mercury at night, and in the morning they will urine on the copper coins. And then, after some hours, the copper coins taken and put into the fire, it becomes gold. And it is scientific that some molecules of mercury, if mixed with copper, it is gold. Gold is combination of mercury and copper. But the people cannot mix it. They have tried. That is called alchemist. They tried to mix it. Because they do not know the process, as soon as mercury is put into fire, it immediately goes out. You melt copper, and in hot copper, if you put mercury, it will not melt together. Immediately it will throw away.
Prabhupāda: No, even distinction, life and matter, here is sand. How these animals are living within the sand? And not only that. Now it is... Because it is wet, they are living. When it is very scorchy hot, then also living.
Dr. Patel: That is māyā. This is all māyā.
Prabhupāda: Living entity can exist in any condition. In the sun globe there is life. Go on.
Dr. Patel: Life is caitanya.
Prabhupāda: Yes, caitanya. Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20).
Dr. Patel: Without caitanya nothing can exist.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.
Prabhupāda: ...bindu sama, suta mitā ramaṇī samāje, sohe viṣere mana, tahe samarpala, ābrahma yuga hobo kono kāj.(?) This is Vidyāpati's song, that "We are seeking water in the desert." Taṭala saikata. Saikata, means the sandy beach and very hot. So then water is required. But we get little water. What is that? Suta mitā ramaṇī samāje. In the society, friendship and love, we are seeking that happiness, and it is exactly like seeking water in the desert. Although there is little happiness, but what is the comparison? Vāri bindu sama. I want water, but it is a drop of water. Vāri bindu. Hare Kṛṣṇa. So when there is requisition of water like seas and ocean, what this one drop will do? He admits there is little happiness, but this happiness is nothing that we want in comparison. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Taṭala saikata, vāri bindu sama, suta mitā ramaṇī samāje, tahe viṣere mana, tahe samarpala, havana yughamala na kāj. Mādhava āmāra pari nama nirasa (?): "Therefore, my Lord Kṛṣṇa, I see my future is hopeless, and therefore I surrender unto You. There is no other way." Mādhava āmāra pari nama nirasa, tuhu jagad taraṇa, dīna dayāla, ataeva tohari varosa (?), that "I have no other hope. Simply hope you are." Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) ...is better, the breathing air. That side is...
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Bhagavān: It's very hot and very cold.
Yogeśvara: Have they made another mistake?
Prabhupāda: And there is no water also.
Karandhara: No.
Bhagavān: No, water.
Yogeśvara: They say that the moon is covered by a very thick layer of dust.
Prabhupāda: But according to our śāstra, moon is one of the heavenly planets. (break) ...is moon in any way? Because there is no water?
Prabhupāda: A girl is pregnant, suppose, then, during her pregnancy period, ten months, there is no sex, and unless the child becomes six months old, there is no sex. The thing is that in the modern world, sex life has become the only pleasure. They do not know anything else. Therefore everything is discredited. And another thing is they are afraid of keeping more than one wife for population. But if they produce sufficient food, where is the question of overpopulation? Another thing they have made, especially in the western world, they don't want to produce food because they know, "We shall kill one animal and eat. Why take so much trouble? Let me increase industry, and I shall push my button. Money will come. And the slaughterhouse there. We shall eat." So they are getting money. By money, they are getting women to the choice. They are getting food, meat, and they're enjoying drinking. So money has become the whole thing. "Bring money some way or other and enjoy." This is the purport of civilization. They do not care what is God, that human body is meant for God realization. They have no such ideas. "There is nothing after death. So so long I am living, let me enjoy by the tongue, by the genital and by the belly. Use the tongue for eating anything which is palatable, which I like. Never mind what it is. And then genital also. Bring as many women..." This is civilization, modern. There is no question of sinful life or pious life, next life. (laughs) Another, their theory is that only on this planet there is living entities... (break) If there is sufficient rain in the desert, it will be also hot.
Prabhupāda: But you cannot... If you have no objective, then you cannot live in one way. (French for some time)
Prabhupāda: (aside:) I'm feeling hot.
Yogeśvara: He says...
Prabhupāda: Yes?
Yogeśvara: ...that before... He says perhaps it would be worthwhile, he finds it worthwhile, before trying to make any definitions about the center, to first free man from all of the things that are keeping him enslaved today. In other words, before we can build a platform for...
Prabhupāda: No, 23rd.
Satsvarūpa: June 23rd we fly to Sydney. We stop in Bombay one day.
Professor La Combe: It will be very hot now in Bombay.
Prabhupāda: Now it might be raining.
Professor La Combe: Yes, it might be raining.
Prabhupāda: Because from 10th June monsoon begins. Bombay is not too hot as Vṛndāvana, as Vṛndāvana.
Professor La Combe: On account of the seashore.
Prabhupāda: Ah. Vṛndāvana is very hot. Vṛndāvana is very hot.
Prabhupāda: The simplest method is to associate with the Father, or the Absolute Truth. By association. This association can be possible. God, His name, His form, His pastimes, His abode, His paraphernalia, everything is God, because absolute. First of all you should understand this Absolute Truth. Just like here in the relative world the name of a person is different from the person. But in the absolute world the name and the person the same. So we are teaching or preaching this, that you chant the holy name of God, you associate immediately with God. And if you associate immediately with God then gradually you become Godly. The example is, just like you put one iron rod in the fire it becomes warm, warmer, warmer and, at last, red-hot. When it is red-hot, it is no longer iron rod, it is fire. Similarly, if you simply associate with God then gradually you become Godly or or all the qualities of God. Then you understand God and your life becomes perfect. (German) (break)
Prabhupāda: Purport.
Satsvarūpa: In the proper discharge of duty, one has to learn to tolerate nonpermanent appearances and disappearances of happiness and distress. According to Vedic injunction, one has to take his bath early in the morning even during the month of Māgha (January-February). It is very cold at that time, but in spite of that a man who abides by the religious principles does not hesitate to take his bath. Similarly, a woman does not hesitate to cook in the kitchen in the months of May and June, the hottest part of the summer season. One has to execute his duty in spite of climatic inconveniences. Similarly, to fight is the religious principle of the kṣatriyas, and although one has to fight with some friend or relative, one should not deviate from his prescribed duty. One has to follow the prescribed rules and regulations of religious principles in order to rise up to the platform of knowledge because by knowledge and devotion only can one liberate himself from the clutches of māyā (illusion).
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Atomic bomb normally acts as, ah, what happened is the particles floating in the atmosphere, like chemicals, chemicals, what happened is this explosion offers this, ah, fundamental particles like neutrons, electrons, they bombard further atoms which are already in the atmosphere. So one by one they knock out these smaller particles called electrons. They move very high velocity. There is a very tremendous energy, amount of energy released. So one... So suppose first atomic bomb, ah, the, ah, the energy-bringing substance like electron, neutron, hits another atom, and then it knocks out several of that sort, and then it makes a chain reaction, not stopping because..., and thereby several atoms they will knock each other, one by one, without stopping. Small particles, so much energy has got. But in the sun planet, where it is so hot, it is already probably more powerful that the atomic bomb itself.
Prabhupāda: Therefore this example. (laughs) What it will act, the atomic bomb, in the sun planet? Similarly, Brahmā might have possessed some power, but what is that power in comparison to Kṛṣṇa? Every power is derived from Him; so Brahmā's mystic power cannot act on Kṛṣṇa. (end)
Prabhupāda: Oh, that's nice. But make them devotees. That is the real father and mother, who begets children and make him devotee. That is real father and mother. Otherwise cats and dogs. A Tulasī dāsa, he has written one poetry that "A son and the urine comes from the same way." Son... Son means it is born out of the semina. That also comes through the genital, and the urine also comes through the genital. So he is giving this example that "Putra and Mutra..." Mutra, means urine, and putra means son, comes from the same passage. So if the son is a devotee, then he's putra; otherwise he's mutra. (laughter) Otherwise he's urine. Very nice. Yes. Putra and mutra come from the same channel. If he's a devotee, then he's putra, otherwise he's mutra. (break) ...miseries are compared with the heat and cold. Mātrā sparśās tu kaunteya śītoṣṇa-sukha-duḥkha-dāḥ (BG 2.14). Śīta and uṣṇa. Uṣṇa means hot, and śīta means cold. They are pleasing and miserable in circumstances. Cold is very pleasing in the summer, and heat is very pleasing in winter.
Prabhupāda: Again, let them become farmers. (break)
Devotee: The mornings were very cool, very cool and during the day it was hot. The mornings were always very clear and cool. (devotees chanting japa in background)
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Prabhupāda: (indistinct)
Devotee: (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: In India, Tirupati, I that Deity is richer than many kings in the world. Daily, 100,000 rupees, not (indistinct), daily. (break) Which king who has got so much money? If you organize, you can take the whole income for cause of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, if you are really organized. That is possible.
Devotee: Where is this temple?
Prabhupāda: In South India.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They might have gone to some hellish planet, where there is only sand, only, and very hot, and the culprit is pushed through that deserted place to the Yamarāja. And before going to Yamarāja he has to suffer so much. There are places, copperlike, you see. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. So hot, and the criminal has to go on that copper land. There are mentioned for many millions of miles simply copper, and one has to pass through that to Yamarāja. So, they might have gone to some such place, not to the moon planet, who is the source of vegetation even throughout the whole universe—and in his own planet there is no vegetation. Now I am sure they have not gone to moon planet. How they will go? It is beyond the sun. I was protesting that they have not gone; now I am convinced that they have not gone. The Russian scientists and the American scientists joined on the platform, "Don't expose me, I don't expose you." (laughter) (Bengali) "You have to do your business and same I have to do my business. Let us support one another." In all other case, they are inimical, and the scientific field they are friends. That means that if a scientist, another scientist, opposes me, then my attempt will be futile, so let us don't do it.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So that is God's omnipotency. When you offer sincere prayer, the words become spiritual. That is wanted. If you sincerely offer your prayers, God understands. Even though sound appears to be material it is no more material; it is spiritual. Just like... I will give you one example. Just you put one iron rod in the fire. So the iron rod becomes warm, warmer, warmer, and then it becomes red hot. When it is red hot, it is no more iron. It is fire. You touch that red hot anywhere; it will burn.
Jesuit: Hm. Transformed, it changes.
Prabhupāda: We have got in India two period holiday, summer holiday and Pūjā holiday. There is a season for worshiping different types of demigods. That is called Pūjā. And in India when the summer becomes too hot, that is holiday. (guests prepare to leave) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya.
Guest 1: I wish you a good trip and a happy trip.
Prabhupāda: Thank you.
Guest 1: And also I hope that the building in Sydney eventuates.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest 1: That you will see or hear about tomorrow morning.
Amogha: They're working on that tonight.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Weather is changing. Weather is changing. Śītoṣṇa, it is called śītoṣṇa. Sometimes it is cold; sometimes it is hot.
Guest (2): Can I ask you where you come from?
Prabhupāda: I have come from India.
Guest (2): Oh, you came from India? Yeah? Oh. Which part? Ceylon?
Prabhupāda: No. I come from Bengal.
Guest (2): Oh, Bengal, uh huh.
Prabhupāda: You have been in India?
Guest (2): No. I often wanted to go, but I really never had a chance.
Prabhupāda: You can come. We have got very good place. You can stay there. We have got very good, nice building in Bombay in...
Prabhupāda: Why not atmosphere? The moon planet, there is a planet. There is space. There is surface. There is dust. So why not atmosphere the same? It is made of the same ingredients, earth, water, fire. Why do you say that is not same atmosphere?
Devotee (3): They are saying that it's too cold or too hot.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. That is here also. There are many cold places. Do they think that in the cold places there is no life? All nonsense. And only nonsense will believe them. I never believed it. Why? Here we see under this sand there is life. The crabs, what is called? They live within, so many hundreds of thousands. We have seen on the sand.
Indian man: And the polar bears for cold season for living in mounds of snows and all.
Prabhupāda: Yes, there will be no more material activities. Just like you take a iron rod and put into the fire. It becomes warm, warmer, and at last it becomes red hot. When the iron rod is red hot, it is no longer iron rod. It is fire. If you touch the iron rod, red hot, anywhere, it will act as fire. Similarly, if you engage your mind in Kṛṣṇa activity the mind becomes Kṛṣṇaized gradually, and when he is advanced, there is no material activities, all spiritual activities. Just like here in this temple there is no material activities. And material activities means based on this illicit sex, meat-eating, intoxication and gambling. Here you will not find anything of this.
Dr. Gerson: I would like to demonstrate through my study which will be going on for two years and then come out as a book, the benefits of giving up illicit sex, meat-eating, and the other things.
Prabhupāda: Spiritualize.
Prabhupāda: Everything is floating in wind, in air. Such a big cloud, floating in the air. It contains millions of tons of water but it is kept in air.
Indian guest: We try to heat the home in the winter season, and it is a hard time heating a home. We don't have energy, run short of energy. But summer comes and nature heats it up that we are just too hot. So the nature's energy supply is just unlimited. Science cannot even imagine a small fragment.
Prabhupāda: Our science is stated in the Vedas, yasmin vijñāte sarvam evaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavanti. Just try to understand Kṛṣṇa, and everything will be understood. So try to understand one, Kṛṣṇa, and then you understand everything. Yasmin vijñāte sarvam evaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavanti. (break) ...philosophy is, it is said, that bhaktim... śreya-sṛtiṁ bhaktim... śreya-sṛtiṁ bhaktim upasya, ye kliśyanti kevala-bodha-labdhaye. Kevala-bodha means just trying to understand this, that, this, that, this, that, this, that. In this way they are wasting time and giving up devotional service to the Lord.
Harikeśa: They may put that on nationwide. It's such hot news. (laughter)
Brahmānanda: I was seeing in one of these Time magazines. On the rear page they're advertising a cigarette that is especially meant for women. It's a slimmer size. The larger size is for the men; the slimmer size is for the women. And the title of the advertisement, they show one picture of a woman cleaner, sweeper. She is cleaning the floors. This picture was taken in the 1920's. It was taken in Washington D.C. because in the background they show the capitol building is there in Washington D.C. So then they have a picture of a modern woman. She's sitting there looking very nice. And they say that "You've come a long way, baby." (laughter) Whereas in the 1920's you were sweeping the floors and now you're sitting on a throne.
Prabhupāda: "So you accept this cigarette."
Prabhupāda: Why philosophically? Philosophy means, at the present moment, mental concoction. We don't say that. Philosophy means to find out the reality. That is philosophy, not that "I think like this. He thinks like this. He thinks like this." That is not philosophy; that is mental concoction, hovering over the mental plane. Philosophy is here. Kṛṣṇa says, janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam: (BG 13.9) "Keep always in your front that there is death, there is birth, and try to save yourself from this." This is philosophy. What is this hot air?
Bahulāśva: It is coming from the heating system of the university. They have a nuclear heating system.
Paramahaṁsa: Is that nuclear waste?
Bahulāśva: They can't even measure how much heat is coming from the sun.
Jayatīrtha: They say that the sun is inefficient because in some places it's too hot and in some places it's too cold, so therefore they have to make the adjustment by making the air conditioners and the heaters in order to make up for the sun's inefficiency.
Prabhupāda: But who is getting this advantage?
Paramahaṁsa: Big businessmen.
Bahulāśva: Actually, the fact is that now the scientists are spending so much money on this research, but the research is only being used in their personal homes. The common people have never seen any of these great devices. This one devotee, Jayarama, his uncle is a big scientist. He has created this radio telescope. So I saw pictures of his personal home, and it must cost about $300,000. All these scientific devices he has. But the people never see those things. (break)
Paramahaṁsa: ...and for all the success of scientific advancement, they have not created any love for God or their fellow man.
Prabhupāda: I do not know why but I am not... Constipation? And now I'm feeling headache, some spasm.
Jagadīśa: Should we cancel the trip this morning? (break)
Prabhupāda: ...very hot place. So every year I used to resolute, "Now I shall give up this place," every year. So I was going Kashmir, Darjeeling. Bhavani, that is near Nainital. (break)
Brahmānanda: ...just in the hot climate. In the hot climate it is more difficult to digest?
Prabhupāda: Maybe.
Brahmānanda: Because here it is much hotter than it was in California.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Everyone was doing that. So we shall go or wait?
Satsvarūpa: After New Orleans, all your stops are in northern. Detroit and Canada. It won't be so hot.
Prabhupāda: No, now what is the time?
Devotees: Twenty to seven.
Prabhupāda: So we shall wait or shall go?
Jagadīśa: Well, I've sent the others on ahead to let them know that we'll be early. So it should be all right.
Prabhupāda: What is the scheduled time?
Prabhupāda: Offset you can take. It will be very cheap.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, true. And also then next time we want to reprint it, we can just reprint. It doesn't have to be composed again. (break)
Prabhupāda: You give me simply hot milk with miṣṭi. (break) They're going to foreign country, but once they go they become disappointed and not second time.
Brahmānanda: Someone has gone?
Prabhupāda: So many.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Even this man has gone to Hong Kong.
Brahmānanda: Really?
Prabhupāda: They generally go to this Middle East it is called? No?
Brahmānanda: Far East.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And downstairs, all shops. Only the roadside. Other side...
Brahmānanda: Oh, no. That's the courtyard, and then other side, a building. (break)
Bhavānanda: ...at the Gurukula best thing is outdoors classes. As soon as they're in rooms it gets too hot.
Prabhupāda: As far as possible, outdoors.
Bhavānanda: Best place in Māyāpur is on the verandas of the big building. It's perfect.
Prabhupāda: That is very nice.
Brahmānanda: They have verandas on this building?
Prabhupāda: Yes, there is veranda that side.
Harikeśa: Well, certain changes take place. Just like when it is very hot, if you are in a hot climate all the time your blood thins.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. No, no. This is not…
Harikeśa: Well, if you take that further, all of these changes that mount up to some big physical change.
Prabhupāda: No change is taken. The nature is working symmetrically always. The sun is rising in the morning. That is going on for million, million, million, millions of years.
Harikeśa: Gradually the change has taken place in a very scientific way, step by step.
Prabhupāda: What change has taken place?
Harikeśa: First the hairs fell off…
Prabhupāda: What successful?
Harikeśa: Now we have these big, beautiful houses. If it's too hot we air-condition it.
Prabhupāda: You have to be... You will be kicked out from the house. You will not be allowed to stay here. What is this success? You will be kicked out. What is your success? You have constructed very nice house. Very good. All credit to you. But I shall kick you out. What you will do? Where is your success? Hm? It is waste of time. That is sane man's intelligence. "If I am going to be kicked out, why shall I spoil my energy in this way?" This is intelligence. But they have no intelligence even.
Harikeśa: But that's just a fatalistic attitude.
Prabhupāda: What enjoying?
Harikeśa: When it's too hot we can make it cooler. When it's too cool we can make it hotter.
Prabhupāda: But at the same time, you want to live and enjoy. That is not allowed. Everyone wants to live and enjoy. Hm? Otherwise why, when there is attack outside, why do you fight? The tendency is that "I shall live comfortably." Why these white Europeans have made so high plan? So that they may not be kicked out by the Africans. That is the tendency. Therefore they are making secure, Africans far away so that they may not come. You want to live securely, but that is not there. You may make political arrangement very secure, but what is the nature's arrangement? You'll be kicked out at any moment. There is no certainty. There is no guarantee even that you will be allowed to live for so many years. At any moment.
Harikeśa: But if we're always thinking of death, how can we enjoy life now?
Prabhupāda: But be careful that these rascals may not come and throw out(?), the Mohammedans.
Jayapataka: (break) ... is growing on the water. And in the hot days they go in there.
Prabhupāda: No. That should be cleaned away.
Jayapataka: Taken off.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You can eat it, kalmisan(?). It is very nice.
Jayapataka: Yes. We eat that. We shouldn't let it grow in the pukkur? It's growing in one little corner of the pukkur.
Prabhupāda: So that should be cleansed and taken, and the śak can be eaten. (end)
Harikeśa: (half joking) I'm seriously speaking, if we made another one the whole place would become too hot.
Prabhupāda: Hah. So you are scientist, you protect yourself. (laughter)
Devotee (2): Scientists aren't very intelligent because today he big thing in the country politically is that whole world thinks they are running out of energy on one hand, and on the other hand the whole world believes that the scientists can solve all the problems and get to know the absolute truth but if they...
Prabhupāda: They are creating problems.
Devotee (2): Yes, they're creating problems.
Prabhupāda: (sounds of lots of birds in background) (stops) Birds and beasts, they're living without any scientists—they're more happy.
Prabhupāda: No, no. In America. Kīrtanānanda was saying. They tear these pages, and again still they purchase. This example is given. Just like hot sugarcane juice. Because it is hot, it cannot be taken. But one cannot avoid tasting it. (laughter) Sugarcane juice hot. Because we speak everything against their so-called knowledge, and still they want to taste it. Hot sugarcane juice.
Dr. Patel: Your this Bhāgavata commentary is really wonderful. I am critically studying now.
Prabhupāda: Thank you.
Dr. Patel: Second reading of mine. On the first reading I just...
Prabhupāda: Yes, they read our books for the purport.
Dr. Patel: But you have collected from, I mean, two, three, four or five...
Prabhupāda: Dimmock said that "Here is the commentation who has practiced devotion in his life."
Harikeśa: So actually everything.... All the arguments they bring up is simply the material thesis. There is no antithesis 'cause.... Just like hot and cold. Hot is...
Prabhupāda: No. They're seeking—the same example—the enjoyable thing, on the platform of shell of the coconut, fibers of the coconut. They do not know that within the shell, within the fiber, there is coconut. That they do not know. You said two sides. But they do not know the other side. They only know the one side, the body. There will be synthesis when there are two. But they have no two. They simply one subject matter, the body, and that is useless struggle. It is just like Māyāvādīs. Neti neti: "Not this, not this. Not this, not this." Therefore they advocate revolution, that something is going on for some days; again revolution.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They should pass that rule, you know, Jayapatāka? If they're told they can't, then they won't do it, if they're told they shouldn't. One reason might be that it becomes a little hot at that time of the year, so the heat of the day, maybe it's too much for them. Actually, there was a suggestion made by a number of GBC men that they wanted to request you that in future years that the festival could be held ending on Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu's appearance day rather than beginning, the reason being that in America the months of...
Prabhupāda: No, that is system here also. The festival begins before the birthday and ends on the birthday.
Prabhupāda: Oh. So you can arrange like that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And furthermore, here it gets a little hot. This would give us the coolest months, February.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And February is the worst time for book distribution in the West, whereas March, April is a good time.
Prabhupāda: So let them... So they may come in February.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In future years?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Prabhupāda: Not. Vṛndāvana is very cold December-January.
Harikeṣa: At night. At night.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They are accustomed to it. They can tolerate it. The hot part is more intolerable for Americans. It's really a good idea.
Harikeṣa: It's colder than sixty degrees.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The college preaching in the month of April is the very best. (break) Do you think something could be written on this wall?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, advertisement.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This prasādam pavilion wall...
Jayapatākā: The difficulty that every person has not got the same mentality... One...
Prabhupāda: That... That will depend on the preaching of the sannyāsīs. What is this? Frame?
Indian man (1): It's a hot iron building, Prabhupāda.
Hari-śauri: It's the wrong type of renunciation.
Prabhupāda: There is no renunciation. There is sense gratification. "I like this." That's all. He is thinking that "I am so renounced," but he's still satisfying his senses. That's all. As soon as we manufacture something, that is sense gratification. "I want to fulfill my desire. That's all." That is sense gratification. It may be I sit down on the tree, or I may sit down on the palace. That is sense... The basic principle is sense gratification. The other day I was talking about hīrā-cora and kṣīrā-cora. Hīrā means diamond. And kṣīrā means...
Prabhupāda: So you can send me at half past one?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Oh, yes, it can be kept warm very easily. Hot capatis, he says, for hundreds of people.
Prabhupāda: Hot. That is wanted. That I had asked. Therefore it is so filling.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, everything is hot. (break) ...so...
Prabhupāda: No, no. Prasādam, when it is supplied from the temple, in any condition it is prasādam. So communists should be impressed that "You are trying to establish a perfect society. That is your philosophy. So unless there is perfect leader, how you can establish?" This is the way.
Prabhupāda: Huh, huh.
Bhavānanda: In Birnagara, no. Jayapatākā has been there, but I haven't been there in years. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...moon is hot, they say, because the shade of the earth is obstructing.
Pañca-draviḍa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Is it not?
Devotees: Yes.
Trivikrama: They say that the sun is hitting like that.
Prabhupāda: Eh? The sun is there, and the earth is there. How it becomes...?
Prabhupāda: Very cheap.
Guru-kṛpā: And it is up north. It is just like India, very hot, and you can grow everything. Hot all year round.
Prabhupāda: So grow fruits, flowers, grains. Keep some men. It is very nice. (break) ...stones(?), they can go.
Guru-kṛpā: Yes. They're aren't very attracted to it.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: A little over fifty dollars an acre? Very reasonable.
Prabhupāda: Very cheap. Very cheap.
Guru-kṛpā: Less than that.
Prabhupāda: That New Orleans, our farm? It was nice.
Devotee (3): You..., you told a story once about, there was one, the devotee of Lord Caitanya, where he had never met Lord Caitanya, but he had some water sprinkled on him from a Muslim, Muhammadan, and that, that astrologer told him to pour..., to drink lead, hot lead. And he said, I was (indistinct)...
Prabhupāda: Buddhimanta Khān.
Devotee (3): Yeah, Buddhimanta Khān. (pause) You've also said in the past that there is no reality of this material world save for, save Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, save...
Prabhupāda: Yes, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura (says), nāma vinā kichu nāhika āra, cauddha-bhuvana-majhe. (pause)
Devotee (3): Kṛṣṇa is our only insurance, and you are the, you are the insurance representative.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that you have to manage. That is preaching. What you'll do? I have seen that garden. There are lemons, apples; they are rotting and falling down. So while they can be used for Kṛṣṇa's purpose, why don't you give it? (break) ...too hot. At night, of course, it is not hot. They lie down in open place like this on a cot. Very pleasing sleeping.
Mādhavānanda: This is their favorite place.
Prabhupāda: All, they are living in the same tree?
Mādhavānanda: Yes. Seven of them.
Pālikā: These peacocks are very friendly here. They stay together. They lay here altogether in the sun.
Hari-śauri: I used to work on them, same thing. I was working where they pour the metal into ingots, into casings, and then when it solidifies they take a chunk of iron out, it's still white hot, and then they put it in ovens. And then after a while, when they need them, they take them out with big cranes and they put them on a series of rollers, and then it goes through a mill, what they call a mill. It's like a big mangling machine, and it crushes the steel ingot into plates, big plates. Then it goes along and it's cut and sent out. It cools down on big banks and it's sent out. So my job was, I was doing maintenance fitting on all those machines. On the rollers and on the cranes and on the big mills, like that. It was terrible. We used to work from two o'clock in the afternoon until ten o'clock at night, one shift, then from ten until six, and then from six until two.
Prabhupāda: Eight hours. Without any recreation?
Prabhupāda: Now, discuss.
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: Actually, in this century there has not been ten years of peace. Always there is some war been going on, and now...
Prabhupāda: Cold war and hot war, they say. When there is fire that is hot war, and there is diplomacy and politics, that is cold war. So war is going on. Sometimes it is hot, sometimes it is cold. There is no peace.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: We even see that among the so-called God conscious communities in the world, still there are such horrible activities going on, fighting.
Prabhupāda: No, no, we don't say that fighting will stop. We are distinguishing demons and rogues, uh, demigods. If you fight, demon, I must defend myself. What can I do? If you start war, you are demon, shall I stop: "No, no, I am demigod, I'll not fight. You kill me"? Is that intelligent? I'll have to fight. But the war starts by the implication of the demons. The Kurukṣetra war, it was not started by Arjuna. It was started by Duryodhana. (long pause) All right, go on.
Prabhupāda: Cold water.
Hari-śauri: They are bringing some hot milk, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Vipina: Also something interesting about this water, Prabhupāda. It's all natural spring water, it's not city water. Underground water, fresh water.
Rūpānuga: It's quiet here.
Prabhupāda: Nice.
Vṛṣākapi: There's a swimming pool here, Prabhupāda. You have a garden by the pool; you can take your massage there.
Prabhupāda: This is your own house? What you have paid for it?
Prabhupāda: But nobody was taking.
Narottama: Hot milk. And there is fruit, Śrīla Prabhupāda, there is fruit also.
Prabhupāda: Come on. Jaya. (pause) You take. That's all. What is this?
Devotee: Kiwi from New Zealand. (Prabhupāda is eating during the conversation)
Vipina: Those are Narottama's rasagullās over there. Narottama's rasagullā.
Hari-śauri: He's learned how to make Indian sweets very expertly. He was making them in Detroit.
Prabhupāda: Hmm. Where he is going now?
Pradyumna: You first made ice cream in New York, Śrīla Prabhupāda? Someone told me that in 26 Second Avenue, did you make..., you made them ice cream when it was very hot?
Prabhupāda: Hot?
Pradyumna: It was hot, no, the weather was hot, so you made.
Prabhupāda: No, you can make ice cream in this, what is called, refrigerator. You can make.
Hari-śauri: Just make thick cream and put it in the fridge.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: "Ice" cream.
Prabhupāda: (Prabhupāda speaks some gibberish). Big, big words.
Pradyumna: They put everything in language. Then everyone is fooled. No one knows...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, what time do you take your bath? Because I can get hot..., you know we have a big heater in this building. So for hot water...
Hari-śauri: Sometimes between quarter to one.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Should I make sure there's hot water at that time?
Hari-śauri: You can put it through the pipe system? Anytime from twelve-thirty on. (in car)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: When the devotees heard about your idea for a neon sign on the top of the building, they all went "Jaya!" They like that idea.
Prabhupāda: What is this street?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ninth Avenue. Sometime I'd like to show you the garage.
Prabhupāda: On Ninth Avenue there are many grocery shops. Eh?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: (laughter) Yes. "...which is lathered up and shaved with a safety razor (right side). Even more striking than their saffron dhotis and shawls is the ISKCON men's practice of shaving their heads with the exception of one long lock in the rear, known as the śikhā. The first reaction of the layman is "Why do they do it?" The next is "How do they do it?" The Hare Kṛṣṇaś themselves advance three different answers to the first question. Some say that in countries that have hot climates, the religious have always shaved their heads to insure cleanliness. A clean body reflects a pure spirit."
Prabhupāda: One letter should be written to him that "You have taken so much trouble to describe Hare Kṛṣṇa movement, so thank you for your patience. Now we shall request you to read our books and review it. That will be real presentation of the Hare Kṛṣṇa Movement. Now you have studied superficially, and if you seriously study our books, you'll get more knowledge and you'll be able to give description of the movement more definitely."
Prabhupāda: That is not very good. That means they have fallen from their culture. They have lost their culture.
Indian man (1): Some of them in fact enjoy eating hot dogs and hamburgers. They said, "Oh, I have been eating vegetables for ages. Now I have come here to eat hot dogs and hamburgers." That is their comment. They have done totally,
Prabhupāda: What is this hot dog?
Hari-śauri: It's meat, sausage.
Guest: Together with other poisons.
Rādhāvallabha: Made from cows. (break)
Prabhupāda: Very hot?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It is a little hot.
Prabhupāda: Some rain?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: There's moisture in the air and rain, like that.
Hari-śauri: They have a lot of hurricanes there, don't they?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: A few. But no place is perfect within the material world. (break)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: On the fourth floor we're going to have doll projects. Doll exhibits. So there's an open balcony up there and I want to do something like that, see up there with the glass, the balcony?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: In Bengali it is called pare mukhe jhalma(?). Somebody says "Oh, it is very hot!" "Oh, it is very hot!" (laughter) He did not taste, but the other man says "Oh, it is very hot!" So he says "Oh, it is very hot!" Pare mukhe jhalma.
Rāmeśvara: The city pays these artists hundreds of thousands of dollars to make these forms. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...it is constructed?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Metropolitan Museum of Art extension.
Prabhupāda: Oh. (pause) (break)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We can return back now. This one is older, this is new. There are twice as many floors in the same amount of space. It's actually double. (break) ...think there's an advancement in living conditions. Seems to be worsening, but they're taking it as advancement. (break)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: About the same as Mercedes. Ten thousand.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: One rupee, twenty paisa. Of course, you get forty paisa back for the bottle, but it's between sixty-five and eighty paisa after you get your money back. When we were travelling in Bhopal, we traveled there in the months of May and June. It was very hot. We were drinking seven bottle a day, every hour. Every hour.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Lemonade.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Gargamuni and I, we had to stop. We'd call it Limka. In India it is called Limka.
Bali-mardana: When Westerners go to India, it is so hot the water just comes out, you know, sweat, all the time. Become dehydrated.
Hari-śauri: Apart from that, you can't drink the water in India, so you have to drink Limka or something. It's safer to drink the lemonade than it is to drink the water.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (end)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's expert. Especially at that part, Kali and Sin. (laughter) And then after that I looked out at the crowd and literally I could not see any open space in the park. Really, I was shocked. Even where there was a fountain, the whole fountain was filled with people; even where there was water, they were standing in the water, there were so many people. It was hot, so they were standing. And the beautiful thing is because there was a fountain, the air was blowing the water all the way to the stage.
Prabhupāda: It is very nice.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We were preaching all this time.
Bali-mardana: Preaching and kīrtana.
Prabhupāda: Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa Mahārāja chanted.
Prabhupāda: These are all rascal, "atmosphere." What atmosphere? Whole world is made of these material elements. Why the atmosphere should be different? Maybe more or less; that is another thing. Just like in the Western country it is very cool and the Eastern it is country hot. But that does not mean everything is changed.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: On this planet we have certain elements, like iron, water, or sand. Could there be other elements on other planets, new elements?
Prabhupāda: No. No.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Same elements.
Prabhupāda: More or less. Just like in the heavenly planets it is said that the roads are built with pearls. So there is more pearl. Here is also. The pearl quantity is there. Therefore they pave on the road.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) They do not go to the sun planet. What is the reason?
Tripurāri: They say that no life there.
Prabhupāda: Again life, no life.
Tripurāri: They think it's too hot for life to exist there.
Prabhupāda: So how Kṛṣṇa was there?
Rādhāvallabha: They don't believe that.
Prabhupāda: So how can I believe you? If you don't believe Kṛṣṇa, shall I have to believe you?
Rādhāvallabha: They have calculated that as soon as you come within a certain amount, a billion miles of the sun...
Prabhupāda: Mineral water.
Bhagavān: Prabhupāda knows. He used to sell Vichy water.
Prabhupāda: Vichy water. But I don't like. Bottled water I don't like.
Bhagavān: No, we have fresh water all the time. And you have hot water in bathroom.
Jayatīrtha: I knew Bhagavān would come, and this would happen.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Jayatīrtha: I never thought that you would go to India. I knew that Bhagavān would come and you would go to Paris. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: No, if I improve my health, I shall stay there for some time.
Prabhupāda: But the Philadelphia is more organized.
Jayatīrtha: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Through the nozzles, milk carrying, always hot water is washing it.
Jayatīrtha: There's much better facility in that Pennsylvania place. New Vrindaban's kind of.... They built it up from scratch by themselves.
Gurudāsa: Rustic.
Jayatīrtha: Yes, rustic is the word. (laughter) Pennsylvania they bought this fabulous farm all made up.
Prabhupāda: Pradyumna, give him little, this one here.
Hari-śauri: It's because they don't bother to find out before they write things.
Gurudāsa: Just like they said that the children sleep in the basement. That's because it was in the hot summer. Everyone goes to the basement in the summer in Dallas.
Mukunda: The kids don't feel any difficulty at all sleeping on the floor. Children are naturally austere. It's just after you get to a certain age that conditioning affects you.
Devotee: They say they live without furniture. (laughter)
Gurudāsa: They're prejudiced about those things.
Jayatīrtha: They have to eat with their hands. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: You have got the last copy of Seventh Canto?
Bhagavān: ...devotees came, and we carried Jagannātha around the land. It was very blazing hot, and we stopped at one point to read Caitanya-caritāmṛta, the part where Lord Caitanya is going in front of the Ratha cart. And thunder came and lightning, and it started to rain. (break) (lecture:)
Prabhupāda: Kṣetra-jñākhya tathā para. Avidyā karma saṅgaḥ anya tṛtiya śaktir iśyate. Viṣṇu-śakti, Viṣṇu, the supreme controller, all-pervading Godhead, Viṣṇu, He and His potency, viṣṇu-śakti parā proktaḥ, both of them are transcendental. (someone translates into French throughout) So the Viṣṇu-śakti potency is one. Another reflection of the Viṣṇu-śakti is karma-saṅga anya, that is, you have to work. That is called tṛtiya, the third, karma-saṅga, where you have to work. The idea is that original Viṣṇu potency, you haven't got to work. Everything is supplied automatically. And the avidyā karma-saṅga anya, and the other reflection or perverted reflection, is this material world. Just like you have recited this verse, cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-lakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam (Bs. 5.29).
Prabhupāda: Acchā?
Bhagavān: Yes. It is going like this. It goes from this room into your room. All day long it is lit. They said it was hot in this room until six o'clock last night, very hot. If you'd like, I can show you how to use some things in the bathroom.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Bhagavān: All the taps, they are the same. The red here, this is hot. All you do is lift up. (break) And the cows are also coming here, you can see later. These are all big oak trees, they are very nice.
Prabhupāda: Harikeśa, have you came here?
Harikeśa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They were trained up in such a way from the beginning of their life. I have seen small children they give powdered meat mixed with hot water and spoon. Is it now? What can be done? Poor child.
Hari-śauri: They made them eat meat. My nephew used to refuse, so they used to force him to eat it.
Prabhupāda: Just see, by nature refusing, and by force...
Hari-śauri: They they develop a taste. My mother said that I used to refuse as well, but then they made me. Now I got a taste.
Prabhupāda: So in my childhood, when I was one and one-half years old, I suffered from typhoid, and the Dr. Karttika Candra Bose, he said that he, "Please give him chicken juice." So my father refused: "No, no, we cannot." "No, no he has to be given. Now he has become very weak." "No, no, I cannot allow." "Don't mind, I shall prepare in my own house and send. You simply..." So it was sent from his house, and when it was given to me, immediately I began to vomit.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) Give Mandākinī these peas. Tomorrow she can utilize it for kacuri. I've asked her to make kacuri. Let them use this.
Hari-śauri: They must have only just come ripe just this last week.
Prabhupāda: So many things are growing. Puffed rice, you simply make it hot, dry, take it away, and then take some of the peas, put very little ghee and masalā and some peas, fry it nicely. Then put little water and cover it. When it is soft, you can add with it little the green chilis.
Hari-śauri: These big ones?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Not very much, but little.
Hari-śauri: These are not very hot, the big ones. The small ones are the hot ones, but we don't have any of those left.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Not very much, but little.
Hari-śauri: These are not very hot, the big ones. The small ones are the hot ones, but we don't have any of those left.
Prabhupāda: That's all right.
Hari-śauri: Then mix them or keep them separate?
Prabhupāda: No, keep separate. They should be very soft. And the puffed rice hot. Then mix with little ghee and masalā. Then, I'll take little.
Hari-śauri: Jaya. (end)
Prabhupāda: ...any expert in your country who can fry foodgrains in hot sand.
Bhagavān: Like they make puffed rice, I think, like that. I don't think so. They do it by machine.
Prabhupāda: Puffed rice? How? What is that machine?
Bhagavān: When they make a thatcher, they use some kind of machine.
Prabhupāda: But we can do it very easily. Sand should be very hot. You can make hot sand, it is not difficult. Any fire. And then take the grains in some, another pot, and put the hot sands under it and then agitate. And it will puff-puff-puff-puff-puff-puff, they'll be finished.
Bhagavān: Put the hot sand where?
Prabhupāda: Sand is being heated in fire, so you put the grains in another pot and put the hot sand there.
Hari-śauri: Underneath the pot?
Prabhupāda: Why underneath? I said another pot. You are so dull brain. Here is hot sand. I bring in another pot, the grains, and the hot sand I pour on it.
Hari-śauri: Pour on it, on top of the grains. Oh.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And then agitate and then put the whole thing on a mesh and make it like this, again put the hot sand there. Is it clear? Then you get the puffed-up grains. That is very good food.
Hari-śauri: Devotees make popcorn.
Prabhupāda: Popcorn, they fry it in ghee, hot ghee.
Hari-śauri: Not much though, just a little.
Prabhupāda: No, I've seen it. They do it. But that is not very digestive. If you make this sand, hot sand...
Bhagavān: It's light.
Prabhupāda: Very light. In the morning you can give them this puffed grains, then fruits and milk, very good breakfast. I mean to say all self-dependent. Yes. We should save time, as much for this purpose, for chanting, discussing grantha. Not for any personal so-called comforts. We can sit down anywhere on the grass here, and whatever available we make our food. This is the idea. Life will be sublime. Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī mām. That is real business.
Prabhupāda: This year...
Bhagavān: Yes. And it was the hottest weather in a hundred years.
Prabhupāda: Now.
Bhagavān: It was, in July. Extremely hot. And actually our well was one of the only ones functioning in the whole area, and we were watering the crops and everything. Our corn is very nice, very high, and our tomatoes are very good. The barley harvest was five tons.
Prabhupāda: Five times more.
Bhagavān: Five tons of barley we got, from our harvest. It was very nice.
Prabhupāda: ...but if there is no material activities, then you are not affected. This is possible. Just like an iron rod, you put into the fire. Gradually, it becomes warmer, warmer, and at last, when it is red hot, it is fire, no more iron. Similarly, even though we have got this material body, if we cultivate spiritual life, then the activities of the material body will stop automatically. Therefore it is no more material. The same example, the iron rod has become already fire. So you put it in the fire, and continue it, then you'll understand that it is no more iron rod, it is fire. Touch anywhere it will burn. You cannot say it is iron bar. Similarly, if you become spiritually enlightened, then the material activities will stop and then you'll be happy. (break) You'll feel, "Yes, I have got some food."
Prabhupāda: That is an attempt to become designationless. But one has to become free from designation. The same example. If the rod is put in the fire, it is becoming warm, warmer, warmer, and when it is red hot it is no more rod, it is fire. So beginning of life, neophyte stage is the beginning. When he actually becomes advanced in devotional service, that is designationless.
Pradyumna: But we still call that, when a person first comes and he still has that designation stage, but we still call that bhakti?
Prabhupāda: No, he's on the platform. Just like the same example. The iron rod is put in the fire. So it is fiery condition. Similarly, one who has given to devotional service, he is in the designationless condition, but it requires time to make the iron rod exactly fire.
Prabhupāda: Fresh.
Atreya Ṛṣi: Would you like it fried a little?
Prabhupāda: Little make it hot.
Atreya Ṛṣi: Hot, We can little heat it.
Prabhupāda: That's all. After heating, put little ghee, very little, and mix it with black pepper and salt.
Atreya Ṛṣi: We mix it or you mix it.
Prabhupāda: I can mix.
Atreya Ṛṣi: We'll bring it separately.
Prabhupāda: But this is good.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is process, how to... Just like iron rod, it is iron rod, but if you put into the process, that means if you put into the fire, a time will come the iron rod will be red hot and it is fire. Similarly, if you engage your physical senses only—(aside:) here is candle—when you engage your physical senses in the service of the Lord, then the physical quality of the senses will be diminished or gone, your spiritual sense activities will begin. This is practical.
Ali: Are we closer to this practicality when we sleep?
Prabhupāda: Yes, when you are practiced. Sleep means what you do when you are awakened, the same thing you'll dream, that's all. Physical, I've told you there are two phases of senses. Gross and subtle. When the gross senses are not working, the subtle senses work. Just like you dream, your mind is working. Although your hands and legs are taking rest, but mind is working. That is dreaming. So there are two phases of physical senses, gross and subtle. When the gross senses are stopped, the subtle senses continue to work. And when you are above even subtle senses, that is spiritual. Sometimes we misunderstand subtle senses are spiritual. No. Spiritual senses are different from the subtle stages.
Prabhupāda: Yes, of coming to the platform of spiritual senses. And when you come to the spiritual senses, then you can understand God, you can understand your relationship with God, you can talk with God, you can serve God, and so on, so on. The same example, just like iron rod as it is, it is not able to burn anything. But when the iron rod is sufficiently hot, red-hot, touch anywhere, it will burn. Similarly, from this physical platform, if you begin these spiritual activities, then stage will come when you'll act only spiritually, there will be no more material activity. That is the stage of bhakti, that is real platform of bhakti, when one is acting only spiritually, there is no material activity. That is the process. So if we adopt that process, it is possible to come to the platform of spiritual sense activity. That is possible. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktam tat-paratvena nirmalam (CC Madhya 19.170). That is purification process. And when one is completely purified, then he acts with his spiritual senses.
Prabhupāda: Ah, nainaṁ dahati pāvakaḥ. Pāvakaḥ means fire. It is never burned into the fire. It is never cut into pieces with instrument or any weapon. So if you study these two points, anything you take, it can be cut into pieces, within our physical experience. And anything within our physical experience, it can be burned. Even the iron, so hot, it can be burned and liquified by proper temperature. Even stone, it can be burned, it can be liquified. The glass, glass is nothing but liquidified stone, everyone knows it. Purīfied by chemicals, that's all. Then?
Hari-śauri: Na cainaṁ kledayanty āpo.
Prabhupāda: Anything physical, it can be moistened. You keep in the water, it will be soft. Na kledayanty? Āpo?
Hari-śauri: Na śoṣayati mārutaḥ.
Prabhupāda: So where is question of atmosphere influence? Suppose there is rock and sand and always hot weather. That does not mean there cannot be any life. The life is never affected by all these things. Make propaganda about this knowledge. People will understand that Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is not joking; it is something serious. That boy was saying that these scientist, they know me. What is this boy's name, this boy said about the so-called astronomer, scientist? Who was this boy?
Pradyumna: Who came last night?
Hari-śauri: One of our boys, American boy, that tall boy.
Pradyumna: Here in this temple?
Prabhupāda: It is association. Just like you came yesterday, you have come again. Similarly, if you come again and again, then you become one of them. Association. You understand, then you become one of them. If you remain in touch with the fire, then you become warm, warm, warmer, and then fire. That example I have given you, the iron rod. Put it in the fire, association, it becomes warm, warmer, and one day, iron. After few hours you'll see that the iron rod is red hot. It is no more iron; now it is fire. Association. By association one can become spiritualized. It is very important thing. We are opening so many branches all over the world with this purpose, to give the facility of association.
Prabhupāda: ...fruits, flowers, also grains, milk sufficient. In one farm, Philadelphia, they are producing so much milk that they are selling $1500 per month. And they've arranged so nice, and big tank. And the pipes regularly as they do in dairy farm. When it is not working, only hot water is passing through the pipes to keep them clean. And one cow, the milk bag is so big. He gives 102 pounds daily. Similarly, in France also we have got farm. New Orleans, Philadelphia, West Virginia, we have got four or five.
Kartikeya Mahadevia: San Diego near Los Angeles.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And all of them are successful. This time I installed Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma Deity in France.
Kartikeya Mahadevia: Paris, near Paris.
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa Consciousness.
Hari-śauri: Śrīla Prabhupāda, it's ten-thirty. Would you like anything to eat or drink before we take rest?
Devotee: Śrīla Prabhupāda, there's puffies and peanuts and hot milk. Puffies.
Prabhupāda: Puffies?
Hari-śauri: Puffed rice.
Prabhupāda: Puffed rice.
Devotee: And some fried, and there's hot milk.
Prabhupāda: You can give me little puffed rice. (long pause) During wartime some, during noncooperation movement, so one firm, they were supplying printing machine, and, very famous firm, forgot the name. So they had 113 branches all over the world. So somebody questioned that "If you British boycott, if by boycott movement, if your firm is closed..." So the manager replied, "So what is wrong there?
Prabhupāda: Yes. We have got business. Why shall I keep in the bank? This is the policy. If your money is idle, we can spend it in our books, in our purchasing land in temple, constructing temple, developing... So where you got that water? Water's there? Don't touch that water.
Hari-śauri: No, there's one bucket of mixed with half a bucket of hot water. Yesterday what happened, the tank, some blockage... (End)
Maṇihāra: Just before I left England... They have so many cows in the south of England, they were grazing. But because it was so hot, the grass was not growing. It was becoming very dry, and no new grass was growing because there was no rain. So then they had to move all the cows to the north of England. Thousands upon thousands of cows, they have to move in big lorries to the north of England where there was some grass. And now in the north of England there is no grass, so they're going to have to move them to Scotland. It's costing so much money. And then the cows are going to become thin.
Prabhupāda: They are killing immaturely. Because they die, they cannot eat. They want to eat fresh, huh? The want to kill them alive. (pause) You want? So let us go down to the car. (end)
Devotees: Jaya, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) In the morning we shall go to take my milk from the goat. I'll go early so that I may take the first. And come back, then take my bath early in the morning. I did not take hot water. Cold water. Even in severe winter. Then?
Harikeśa: And one boy called Rādhā-Dāmodara dāsa from New... (end)
Prabhupāda: I do know what is the name. But I asked. she said, "It is meat powder." That is the system?
Hari-śauri: When they're very young and they can't eat solids.
Prabhupāda: With hot water.
Hari-śauri: Yes, they have instant meals for children. All different kinds of things.
Prabhupāda: So Gopal was very much pleased that he could get some Indian cāpāṭis, like this.
Hari-śauri: So he had you cook for him. You took your cooker with you? Is that the same one?
Prabhupāda: They-fresh fish—they smear with turmeric and salt and keep it in the sunshine and they dry it. And of course this fish it has no, what is it taste. (laughter) But they keep it. (aside) Bring me little water. (Bengali and Hindi) This I want to introduce, let them be satisfied whatever they can produce themselves locally. What is that, little cloth, little food? Any man can produce these things. There is no difficulty at all. They must agree to this simple life. Otherwise, everywhere you can produce your own food and cloth and cottage. If possible you can construct big buildings. There is no need. And they should be satisfied, happy with Kṛṣṇa. Then life is successful. This I want to introduce now, anywhere. And it is practical. It is not something bogus. It is... We have already experimented. By God's grace we can produce everything from the lands, sarva-kāma-dughā mahī, sarva-kāma-dughā mahī? You can get everything. If they are satisfied with this simple life, then they save time for Kṛṣṇa consciousness and happy life. In India they don't require even cottage. One katiya (?) is sufficient. Keeping in one place and lay down. Eight months, at least six months, it is very nice. At night, even in daytime it is very hot, at night it is cool. So you have got very good sleep, soothing, then you become refreshed in the morning. If you have got good sleep at night, then you become refreshed, your health is regained. Hm? If I (indistinct), take morning snāna and cāpāṭi. During very hot season they don't take even cāpāṭi. They take some fruits, guava and this... What is called that? (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: Melon, yes. During hot season you get watermelon, this other melon.
Hari-śauri: Honeydew melon.
Prabhupāda: Honeydew melon, oh very nice. In the upcountries still in the village during daytime they don't eat. During daytime they take some fruits and at night when it is cool, the cool ah, refreshing air, they make some cāpāṭi. One time, is it not?
Devotee (2): (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: Eh, (Hindi) In that night because in daytime it is so hot, it is embarrassing to cook and to digest also. Better take food, ah, fruit, this melon, and at night they take 3 or 4 cāpāṭis according to the... And good sleep. Very happy life it was, all over India. There was no question of poverty. People did not know what is poverty and now it is poverty. They do not get even sufficient food.
Prabhupāda: Let them come. And arrangement should be made when it is... If Vṛndāvana is too hot, at that time we can send them to Mahabalesvara, or if we get that Madras place, that is very cooling, Nilgiri hills. That will be good recreation for them. They should be kept quite comfortably and built up, their character, education. That is wanted. There is need of some good first-class men, ideal men. The world is full of rogues and thieves and bad character. (Hindi)
Bhagatji: I just told you that building, that Śiśu-vidyālaya(?), Sarasvatī Śiśu-vidyālaya, you saw it with Guṇārṇava?
Jagadīśa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: I do not know what they like.
Mahāṁśa: There is a lot of sabji in the ḍāl also, today and it's hot. They like it.
Prabhupāda: Whatever it may be, whatever they like, the villagers, you prepare. If you have no money, I shall pay money.
Mahāṁśa: O.K.
Prabhupāda: But attract them. They will come here to eat, "Oh, very nice thing." That is wanted. I made this movement successful simply by love feast. They did not come to hear Hare Kṛṣṇa. They came for love feast. From very beginning, when I was in 26 2nd Avenue, every Sunday I was giving nice foodstuff, at least 200 men. Daily at least more than 15, 20. I was cooking myself. That is the beginning of my movement. The cāpāṭis with Kīrtanānanda, first of all he was taking one and two, then twelve. (laughter) There was another boy...
Mahāṁśa: He needs at least four people to help. It's a big cooking, so it's also very difficult for one man to do and nobody wants to help the cooking because it's so hot, the smoke goes in the eyes and it's very troublesome. So nobody wants to help in the cooking, devotees.
Prabhupāda: Not willing. They are not willing.
Mahāṁśa: They're not willing to help in the kitchen because it is very hot, very hard, the eyes get burned, things like that. So this one Bengali boy, he's a very good cook. He can do it very nicely but he wants help. And if no one helps, then he refuses to cook. And if you press him, then he runs away. Yesterday he tried to run away four times because we were trying to press him.
Prabhupāda: No, no, cooking alone, it is not possible. So that you have to do. Find out some men. Cooperate. Otherwise how it is possible?
Mr. Malhotra: ...the first month, I think, except April and May, all the rest months.
Prabhupāda: All the year.
Mr. Malhotra: May is quite hot and April, middle of April to May. Then in June rain starts. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...legislation that fifty percent of revenues was spent in military. Bhaya-vitta. (?) (break)
Mr. Malhotra: Tad guru vijñāta...
Prabhupāda: Tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet (MU 1.2.12).
Mr. Malhotra: Guru-vijñāna.
Prabhupāda: No. This is Vedic injunction. Tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet. Abhigacchet, this word is used. This means must, vidhilin.(?) This is the form of vidhilin, in grammar. Vidhilin is applied when there is no question of duality. You must. If you want to know that transcendental science, you must approach guru. Śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham. And who is guru? Samit-pāṇiḥ śrotriyam. Śrotriyam means one who is guru by hearing from his guru, śrotriyam. This is paramparā. Not that all of a sudden he becomes guru. No.
Prabhupāda: There were two books. Woman... Girls should be taught how to become faithful wife, how to learn nice cooking, cleansing, dressing. Simple method. There is no objection of their becoming scholar, but that is not necessary. They have got natural inclination to give service by cooking, cleansing, dressing. Cleanliness is the first necessity. That is hygienic, spiritual, and calm, quiet. India has got special facility to remain clean. Only in this country you can take thrice bathing. In other countries... Easy there. In your country there is hot water. There is no difficulty if one practices. I think our men have such practice. But this cleanness is this taking bathing at least twice. That keeps a man very clean.
Prabhupāda: I never used hot water. In India the Delhi is the coldest part. In my business life, in the hotel I was taking cold water. Everyone was surprised. "How you can?" In Saharanpur, in bitter cold, I was taking cold water early in the morning.
Dr. Patel: This will be extreme cold in river. I have taken bath in the confluence four or five years back. It was not winter, but then it was... It is cold throughout the year because snow melt and keep water very cold.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) ...gentleman will have a flag in the home.
Dr. Patel: During the times of Moguls you have seen all the pictures with the flag.
Prabhupāda: That was the system. Our Pandit Jawaharlal was keeping one flag also, always.
Prabhupāda: No.
Hari-śauri: (to child) Finished? It's too hot? He can't eat the samosa. It's too hot. He can't eat the samosa. It's too hot.
Prabhupāda: Oh. So is there any remaining in...?
Hari-śauri: Puffed rice is finished. But he can't eat the samosa.
Prabhupāda: So you can eat. He can take this thing. Hand. Keep that paper and apply it in service. (sweeping noise) Yes. (sounds of door opening, closing, train starts again) The bathroom is free?
Hari-śauri: Yes. (break)
Prabhupāda: Karachi.
Gargamuni: Yes. Very hot. We used to get our fruit... There was no place where we could eat, so we used to buy fruit and nuts at the Empress Market, very big market.
Prabhupāda: Dacca.
Gargamuni: No, in Karachi. A very huge market. They have, very good, these grapefruits. They're very sweet there.
Prabhupāda: Grape.
Gargamuni: Grapefruit. You know, like orange?
Prabhupāda: Oh, ah.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Take it.
Gargamuni: And if we construct a temple there, it is just near the temple.
Prabhupāda: Yes. It is very nice. (break) (back at temple) ...to make hotter(?).
Hari-śauri: Yeah.
Prabhupāda: Otherwise I could not understand. So I passed through third heart attacks. One, two, three. They say that anyone who gets heart attack, the third attack, he must expire. Heart attack.
Hari-śauri: You had three attacks on the ship.
Prabhupāda: Two.
Prabhupāda: Which is better, eh? Jagannātha?
Hari-śauri: (laughs) I don't know. Whatever you like. At least, if we cook here, you'll get hot prasāda.
Prabhupāda: A little Jagannātha prasāda also.
Hari-śauri: Yes. They can bring some. I traveled for a month myself on a boat. I went from England to Australia on ship.
Prabhupāda: One month? Only?
Hari-śauri: Twenty-eight days.
Prabhupāda: Hm. Through Atlantic.
Hari-śauri: It's fairly hot, yes.
Prabhupāda: So better you... So give him little prasāda. So I am very glad to see you. (Bengali)
Guest (1): We're very glad actually. We're very obliged and very grateful to have your darśana.
Prabhupāda: You kindly... You are little interested. Organize public opinion: "Why these people are doing this injustice?"
Guest (1): No, that I'll do. (end)
Prabhupāda: They are very glad.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Some of them come for thirds and fourths, regular customers.
Brahmānanda: Then they have a cart that goes on the street and keeps it hot.
Prabhupāda: Distribution.
Brahmānanda: Yes. I went to see it. Regularly people are coming. Even the taxi drivers.
Prabhupāda: Here also they are selling. They are paying sufficiently, khicuṛi and other, and they prepare very nice. This should be continued, prasāda distribution.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They say, "Prasādam is our secret weapon."
Prabhupāda: No, or you go away from that place.
Ādi-keśava: In one case they were reading Fifth Canto of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam about the hellish planets. And they were reading to her, and they read how one who is too much attached to women, how they would have to embrace the form of a hot molten metal form of a woman. And so they were saying, "So do you think this is going to happen to us?" They were challenging like that, and she was saying, "Yes, actually you should be afraid." They were saying, "Actually..." They were going through each section of the Bhāgavatam and reading it and saying, "What about this? Do you really believe this? Do you really believe that the moon is farther away than the sun? (laughter) Do you really believe that they didn't go to the moon?"
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Or the moon is made of jewels.
Ādi-keśava: Oh, they ask all these questions.
Prabhupāda: Very good.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Everything hot. The people who come to our restaurant would ordinarily not come, because they are very... They're just business people from the offices. They come in suits, and they eat in our restaurant, and they have a very good opinion of our movement.
Prabhupāda: Indian.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. All Americans. The Indians don't come to our restaurant because the food is not properly spiced.
Prabhupāda: Made.
Prabhupāda: The paddy has to be cooked, once boiled and fried, er, mean dried, again cooked, again dried. Then you take out the skin and mix with little salt and half baked, and then put into the hot sand. Oh, it will do... Little laboring.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We cannot grow rice in America.
Prabhupāda: Oh. There is no paddy?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. Only place I know is down in Mississippi farm. They are trying to.
Prabhupāda: They can grow. There is no difficulty.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But other places, they cannot. You see, the weather.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Prabhupāda: Where is the hot water? That wrapper is there.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Cādara.
Prabhupāda: So this tablet is effective. Prepare this.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Today we'll get more.
Bhavānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda, you'll go on the roof this morning?
Prabhupāda: I have no objection. (break) Nobody likes. In order to taste the sugar, you have to chew so much.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So many different potions also throughout the day. One time that kavirāja...
Prabhupāda: They say that "Why should you bother so much? You have to take the sweet. Take sugar."
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Bali-mardana: Very nice.
Prabhupāda: And the summer?
Bali-mardana: Summertime, eighty-five. A little hotter.
Prabhupāda: Not...
Bali-mardana: But it rains. Summertime is rainy season, two or three months rainy season, so it is also...
Prabhupāda: Near the sea?
Bali-mardana: Thirteen miles from ocean.
Rāmeśvara: So that's only fifteen minutes by car.
Prabhupāda: The ocean is on the southern side? Ocean?
Pañcadraviḍa: Practically, Girirāja has not left either.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He has not trembled in any circumstance. That is his qualification. That nasty, hot, mosquitoes. You also lived there. No gentleman can live.
Pañcadraviḍa: I lived there also, Śrīla Prabhupāda. So many rats.
Prabhupāda: Rats, mosquitoes, and so much inconvenience. Had no place. Sometimes here, sometimes there, sometimes there.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You were also so inconvenienced. You had to move. One time you were living in that...
Prabhupāda: But you... For me you make good arrangement wherever I live, that's all. But I know how you were living in that nasty hut, full of dirty things, mosquito, rats, dropping of water. And Nyer is attacking, municipality attacking.
Prabhupāda: The sea breeze.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's not so cool on the lower floors—where you are staying in the office.
Gargamuni: There no, it is hot. This is very good.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In those houses where you were formerly staying, it is not so like this at all.
Prabhupāda: Which house?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Your old quarters. You don't get the advantage of the breeze.
Prabhupāda: No. Sometimes there is nasty breezes coming.
Prabhupāda: They must doing something.
Gargamuni: The thunder showers have started in Bengal now. So it is not so hot when I was there.
Prabhupāda: Kala-vaise.(?) (devotees discuss weather) So get a bank immediately here.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'll do that first thing in the morning. Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Gargamuni: All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Jaya. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (devotees offer obeisances)
Prabhupāda: ...the real Kashmir is the valleys. Five thousand.
Bhavānanda: Gargamuni says in those valleys it is very hot.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He was there?
Bhavānanda: He was either in Kashmir or right next to it, same area, Sivagudhi, Simla or someplace.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Simla, yeah, he was in Simla.
Bhavānanda: Very hot.
Prabhupāda: No, Simla is not hot. This Srinagar is not hot. I know that. I went there. I know. When I crossed, there was snow on the road. So when Guru dāsa will send his report?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Did he cook these here today?
Indian: No, he didn't.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: If he cooks here, it will be hot. All of these things were cooked there and brought here, so they become a little cold.
Prabhupāda: No, it was already prepared... You bring little salt. (break)
Prabhupāda: They do not know why I am in downtrodden condition. The answer is there. Kāraṇaṁ guṇa-saṅgo 'sya (BG 13.22).
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Says, "They desire freedom from the age-old shackles of superstition..."
Prabhupāda: Where is the shackle? Age-old shackles. Where is the shackle?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: There is nothing keeping them down but their own inability.
Prabhupāda: You are keeping yourself in shackle. If you want to be educated, there was... Dr. Ambedekhar, he belonged to the harijana. How he became a law member? Where is the shackle?
Prabhupāda: At this time, in other parts of India it is very hot.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: April, very hot. Actually, I'm pretty...
Prabhupāda: Except in Calcutta.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Really? Calcutta was quite hot when we were there. Remember coming from Māyāpura?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But it's cool.
Prabhupāda: Calcutta and Bengal has got a facility. Every evening there is a small shower of rain. That keeps the temperature mild. During this April-May, you will find every evening there is a thunderstorm and little shower. That is in Bengal's special... A good wind will come. Sometimes it is cyclonic. And immediately the whole atmosphere will be reduced temperature. Sometimes in U.P. also.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And it draws it out. You understand?
Prabhupāda: You can make nim paste, and make it hot. Apply that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "Make it hot" means...?
Prabhupāda: Just like in a pot, you put on the fire. It will be hot. And apply it, and over that, one leaf. Otherwise, it will leak out.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Over that, one nim leaf.
Prabhupāda: Nim leaf or any leaf, under the bandage. You can do it nicely.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ācchā. Paste, a leaf, and then a bandage.
Prabhupāda: If there is no need of bandage, then you can make...
Prabhupāda: So if we go and stay there and organize...
Mr. Dwivedi: I mean, these days it's quite pleasant at our headquarters, but Gwalior, it is very hot.
Prabhupāda: No...
Mr. Dwivedi: Mosquitos also.
Prabhupāda: So we shall go there.
Mr. Dwivedi: At our place it's quite fine.
Prabhupāda: Building is there.
Mr. Dwivedi: Yes, Swamiji, not one buildings. Lot of buildings.
Prabhupāda: Hm. (break)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Gargamuni, Prabhupāda's inquired about Rādhā-Dāmodara. Jayaśacīnandana says he can't work there 'cause there's no electricity.
Rāmeśvara: No, he said he couldn't work there because it was too hot.
Prabhupāda: He could not work there?
Gargamuni: Well, during the day the electricity goes off all over Vṛndāvana.
Prabhupāda: Oh. So it is not that...
Gargamuni: It is not that he is turning it off.
Prabhupāda: Oh. (Hindi)
Indian man (1): (Hindi) (Hindi conversation)
Prabhupāda: Then put in a ghee pot.
Upendra: Hot ghee or just ordinary ghee?
Prabhupāda: Melted.
Upendra: Melted ghee.
Prabhupāda: And dip it and take it out.
Upendra: This, I think this is a... This sounds like you're cooking out in the jungle.
Prabhupāda: Yes. It will be very digestive. You can try one day.
Upendra: Yes. Bread balls.
Prabhupāda: I think in Japan I have got. One European boy came. He came: "How you have got so much knowledge, sir?" His inquiry was that. In Dum Dum Airport some gentleman came, Indian. The thing is, knowledge was there. It was not presented. (pause) (aside:) He'll take one; you take. (break) Hm? Kṛṣṇa asked the gopīs that "You can take your cloth, one after another. You have done a great fault. Naked, you are taking your bath. So just offer to the deity namaskāra." (laughs) Chastised: "You are very naughty. Why you are doing like this? I tell you, this is for your good." So they did it. (pause) Gopījana-vallabha. (pause) Kṛṣṇa's naughty activities... In every neighboring house they would come, mother Yaśodā, friends, and they'll repeat Kṛṣṇa's naughty activities, and mother Yaśodā, stopping all household business, she would hear. She would hear again. This is kṛṣṇa-līlā. How ordinary person would understand? "What is this? Spiritual life? A child's naughty activities, and they are hearing, and this is spiritual?" But Kṛṣṇa has made easy salvation, that simply by hearing His naughty activities you'll be liberated. Who will understand this philosophy? Can you give me a little hot water with lemon?
Devotee (1): Hot ginger water?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hot water and lemon.
Prabhupāda: No, lemon. Lime. Lime.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Hot water and lime. Not lemon, lime. That acts like digestive. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...ask the list.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That list is being... Of your book distribution? That's the list? He asked yesterday of a list of books distributed, the list I read.
Prabhupāda: No, no, one list, for whom we want permanent residence, list of...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Er, that Gopāla has to compile.
Prabhupāda: Lime has a special flavor.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, it does have a special flavor. It's a nice flavor. In drinks people put lime.
Prabhupāda: In Bengal a first eating hot rice with little ghee, salt and this lime flavor, it becomes so palatable, with smashed potato.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Smashed?
Prabhupāda: Potato. With little chili. Oh, you can eat half the quantity of rice immediately.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sounds very nice.
Prabhupāda: They do that, especially in villages. (pause) (break) If I would have possessed the lands, money, I would have developed.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. What is that?
Devotee (1): This is a nimbu.
Prabhupāda: Hot water? There is... (pause) (break) ...advertised here. Why thousands of Americans come here, did not inquire about Vivekananda? They never inquire. Do they? Eh?
Devotee (1): No.
Prabhupāda: Then what kind of preaching he has done? Nobody knows him. This common sense they haven't got. And here it is advertised, "Vivekananda has converted whole America into Vedantist." (laughs) And they take money for that. (pause) Pradyumna may see me ten minutes a day. That will be simplified. He comes after week.
Prabhupāda: Quinine is fever and (indistinct). And he said like that. "I have no..." So why these three?
Śatadhanya: We'll move the bed. He brought the hot water.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It almost seems like Mr. Bose was like a second father to you.
Prabhupāda: Yes. My father's friend.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Was he very close to your father?
Prabhupāda: Very. He appointed me manager for this relationship.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He trusted you personally, like a son.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. We were exactly like son.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I haven't figured that out. I know what it is though. The special feature is this, Śrīla Prabhupāda. There's a number of things. One thing, there's no other place in Vṛndāvana where you can sit in such a good atmosphere. That room is very large. The tables are first class, marble. There are very nice decorations, and the service is very good. And they serve ice water. And the prasādam is also better than at the Jaipuria guesthouse or most of the other guesthouses. And it's very inexpensive, four rupees for as much as you want to eat, palatable. And it's right in our own guesthouse. The people live here, and then they don't have to go anywhere. They just walk down to the dining room, and they get very good prasādam, good service, inexpensive, good atmosphere. It's become a very popular place. But it's too hot for me. I have difficulty eating the sabji because it's very spicy, but I think it's liked by the Indian people.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I know, in New York, that is one of their complaints, the Indian people, that we don't cook spicy enough. Too bland for their palate. And we're not accustomed to that so much, hot spices. They like.
Prabhupāda: Without spices, Indians should not cook.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, they won't digest it either.
Prabhupāda: You'll be surprised how what quantity of spices toward(?) Indians. There is a Calcutta wholesale market of spices. They... Everywhere, not Calcutta... Chili, they are sold in big, big bag. We have seen in Hyderabad a spice shop, chili, large shop. And amongst the spices, the chili is most favorable.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, they like it very much. You also use it.
Prabhupāda: How to rid?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I remember one thing you were taking to loosen the phlegm in Māyāpura when you had a cough. You were taking a little hot lemon juice in the mornings.
Prabhupāda: You can give me.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I remember that. It seemed to have good effects. It also helped for digestion.
Prabhupāda: So any other?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. Actually I'm right in the middle of doing these accounts, so I probably should...
Prabhupāda: Government published this. The Statesman, therefore, has not given any description.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I didn't notice. Here's a little news clipping. It's probably the same. You probably have seen this already. This is from Indian Express. "Why Krishna Mandir Men Fired Salvo." By a... "An attack on the devotees and destruction of the premises of ISKCON Māyāpura Chandrodaya Mandir, West Bengal, led to the shooting incident, according to Mr. Gopāla Kṛṣṇa Dāsa, Secretary, Bombay center of the organization. Mr. Dāsa, in his statement issued on Monday, said the news from their sources in Bengal stated that on July 8th about fifty miscreants were found encroaching on our agricultural field and stealing our crops. When a devotee requested them to stop, they became angry and beat him up, fracturing his skull. Nearly 250 supporters of the miscreants..." Notice how they're not going to use "Muslims." They say "miscreants." They don't say "Muslims." Probably the paper wants to avoid. This is a hot issue.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I think that having the devotees like Jayatīrtha prabhu and Bhagavān prabhu around you will be very enthusing. I mean their... When you're around so many devotees who are giving their lives so much for spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness, assisting you, it's really enthusing. The main thing is that you don't have to speak so much. It's your presence, your seeing the devotees and them seeing you. It doesn't require so much to speak. So in that sense it won't be exhausting in any way. You won't be called upon like that. It's a good climate now too, August, in London, a very good time. It's not too hot, and it's not too cool.
Prabhupāda: Los Angeles is hot.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Los Angeles will be hot. That's why when I made that itinerary that's the last place practically. You'd reach Los Angeles by, say, the middle of September. By then it's cooler. New York is quite good towards the end of August, one of the nicest times of the year, the beginning of fall.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Good weather.
Śrutakīrti: Excellent weather. It was hot.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Los Angeles has good weather.
Prabhupāda: Hm. Very good weather.
Śrutakīrti: Hawaii's weather is (laughs)..., it's better.
Prabhupāda: So I wanted to return again.
Śrutakīrti: If not for the traveling, it would certainly be the best place to be for your health. I remember last time when you were sick, you recovered very well in Hawaii.
Prabhupāda: Let us see. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa wants me, wants to go back to...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I was encouraging Prabhupāda to... I said that if he goes to the Western temples, that the welcome from his disciples would be so much that he would live for hundreds of years.
Bhagatji: ...and they all should be covered with some woolen cloth. Should not be exposed.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's hot, too hot, though Śrīla Prabhupāda? You want us to give you powders again for taking the swelling? Hands and...?
Bhagatji: He said nothing is wrong. Only weakness.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He said nothing is wrong, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: On that I understand. But weakness is...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Too much weakness. Now we're getting hopeful again, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: (Hindi or Bengali) (conversation with kavirāja)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sac-cid-ānanda, what is he asking?
Sac-cid-ānanda: Hot cloth, that Prabhupāda massaging.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's asking whether we did it? We didn't get it. Tell him
Upendra: There is no hot cloth, hot-water cloth. Drying cloth.
Kavirāja: (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: (Bengali)
Kavirāja: (Bengali)
Sac-cid-ānanda: Hot cloth and ginger juice, hot, massaging over.
Sac-cid-ānanda: Hot cloth and ginger juice, hot, massaging over.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ginger juice.
Sac-cid-ānanda: And making hot...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Massage on chest for mucus to come out.
Prabhupāda: If the mucus come out, the prana(?) come out. (Bengali)
Kavirāja: (Bengali) Two medicine for cough.
Prabhupāda: (Bengali)
Kavirāja: (Bengali-Sac-cid-ānanda translating for Tamāla)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Musk. He's getting that. (Bengali)
Kavirāja: (Bengali) Medicine. Hot water, medicine. (Bengali)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The swelling has increased since yesterday. It was never so much as today. The mucus was never so much as today. (Bengali-Prabhupāda speaks little Bengali) What did Prabhupāda just say?
Sac-cid-ānanda: Prabhupāda telling that he already gave two dose of these medicines here, that according to Prabhupāda thinking he will use the medicine.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He will take the medicine.
Sac-cid-ānanda: If necessary, he will stop one type medicine getting, or again he can try to take. But if Prabhupāda like, he can take.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's what Prabhupāda just said? (Bengali-Prabhupāda and Kavirāja)
Prabhupāda: The havoc caused, the medicine.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Upendra: (to Tamāla:) He just wanted to know where you were.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm here, Śrīla Prabhupāda. I've been in this building all day. It's nice weather now. In the evenings it's very comfortable. You can feel. Not too hot or humid. Bhavānanda's a little... He has a little stomach pain. That's why he's not here tonight. But he said if there's any urgent thing, we should wake him up or immediately bring him. I mean if there's anything that you want him for at any time, he can immediately be called.
Prabhupāda: No.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda? Do you like to turn on one side?
Prabhupāda: Hm. Turn me.
Pradyumna: "...with the eye of transcendental knowledge." Sarvān sa-vayasān (sahacarān) vatsān (gośāvakān) api vaikuṇṭham (śrī-kṛṣṇam eva) ācaṣṭa (apaśyat): "He saw all those calves as Śrī Kṛṣṇa only." Vaikuṇṭhaṁ śrī-kṛṣṇam eva apaśyat: "He saw that all those calves were Kṛṣṇa."
Prabhupāda: You can clear my eyes with some hot water.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Get some hot water.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We're just getting some warm water, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Make it clear. (devotees play tape back for a few seconds)
Pradyumna: "Balarāma, after thinking in this way, He could see that all the calves were actually expansions of Śrī Kṛṣṇa."
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Really high class. And serving kacuris, hot jalebis, all nice preparations. And our men, they look very, very scientific. They're wearing shirt, coat and pants. Svarūpa Dāmodara looks like a scientist now. He has transformed himself. All of them, Mādhava..., they all look, Sadāpūta and Jñāna dāsa, they all look very ...
Prabhupāda: Elegant.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Very elegant. All the scientists who are attending, they're dressed a little informally. But our men are very formal. They have the ties on. Everybody has a badge. All the people who are attending have a special badge mentioning the scientific conference's name and the individual person's name. That's in one place. Then in another room is the conference room. It was the room where we were going to have the bank there. Really big room with fancy backdrop. Some decorator has come and made a very fancy backdrop with a big... There's a long table and podium with microphones and very nice seats.
Bhavānanda: All the scientists are taking prasādam now, Prabhupāda-kacuris and fruit, sabji, hot jalebis.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I saw that yajña that was going on. I mean that hall is first-class looking. Even though this is not the final hall that we'll be building, still, it is one of the nicest decorated halls I have seen, with chandeliers. They rented chandeliers, Śrīla Prabhupāda. I mean it looks very elegant. Everyone is impressed. They never expected. These scientists probably think that Vṛndāvana is some forest. I mean, suddenly they came into a scientific conference. And naturally, after the conference, they are attracted to go into the temple, and then they get darśana. And they're taking prasādam. It's wonderful.
Prabhupāda: Up-to-date gentlemen, they hate to come, Vṛndāvana. They know it is a place for guṇḍās. Pāṇḍās means guṇḍās. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: It must be...
Abhirāma: Hot.
Prabhupāda: No.
Abhirāma: Heated. Warm.
Prabhupāda: Warm it is already. It must be sucked while rubbing. This must be dried up.
Abhirāma: Dried up. By rubbing?
Prabhupāda: Yes, dried up.
Bhāgavata: Dry the oil into the skin by rubbing.
Prabhupāda: Whose hand is cold?
Bhāgavata: Oh. My hand. Bhāgavata. I am sorry. I will not touch you. I am very cold.
Prabhupāda: (laughs)
Bhāgavata: We fed them nice prasādam also yesterday, Śrīla Prabhupāda, three meals a day. They get breakfast in the morning, they get some kacuri and some hot jilabi and some ālu sabji and hot milk for breakfast, nāstā. Then in the afternoon for lunch they get two sabjis, they get rice, they get ḍāl, they get cāpāṭis, and two sweets, peṛā and bundi lāḍu. And then in the evening again they get some sabji and ruṭi, samosā, like that.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. We had nice prasādam.
Bhāgavata: And everyone is very pleased and satisfied with the prasādam. (break)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I think about forty. Forty people. Today it will come more. Then Dr. Khorana is coming tomorrow. He's a medical doctor. He's bringing several of his friends. He's also our life member.
Abhirāma: His son is a devotee. Śrīla Prabhupāda knows him, Navīna Kṛṣṇa.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Navīna Kṛṣṇa. He's in Detroit. After the conference, I'm going to have a debate in Delhi, round-table conference with Dr. Kotari, D. S. Kotari and his group.
Prabhupāda: That will be very nice.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He is using the same idea as that brahmacārī, putting hot on different places.
Upendra: Leg. Tell him the leg.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You have to explain to him about massaging.
Upendra: We did already.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh. You have pain in that hip, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Prabhupāda: Cold are better.
Dr. Gopal: Cold better. Liking is towards cold rather than towards hot.
Guest (1): Ice cream?
Dr. Gopal: Don't worry about this passing of flatus, stools, every time by the urination. You should not worry. Because a scab(?) is still there, this will be unavoidable(?). Otherwise you can give a little soft enema so that that scab should come out, and so there is no spurious(?) there, a little one is coming out every time with the eating.
Prabhupāda: We are not worried.
Bhavānanda: Some parts. Like on your upper leg is getting caked from oil and dirt. Just a little soap will take that off, and it will be nice and clean.
Prabhupāda: Hot water is sufficient.
Upendra: We can't use hot water. It's a dry sponge, just a hot sponge.
Prabhupāda: If you can manage, I'll not...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. So we'll be back in a little while, Śrīla Prabhupāda, after you get bathed. And we will not ask you to do anything exerting. Sometimes only Bhavānanda and I will personally sit you up for a minute only to drink something. And then kavirāja will be here very shortly. Then he can give the advice what to do. We simply want to give one try with this kavirāja. If it doesn't succeed, then we simply... I'll lock my office and we'll simply chant hari-nāma. But as we are a little hopeful... That is our... We can't stop being hopeful, Śrīla Prabhupāda. I was seeing a picture of Your Divine Grace sitting in a vyāsāsana in New York, handing the initiation beads to some devotee. You had a very big smile as if you were joking with him. So I was just thinking how nice it was, that you could again be able to sit and talk nicely with all the devotees. So like that, hope is there in our hearts.
Prabhupāda: (Hindi)
Bhakti-caru: Prabhupāda will let us know. (Bengali) One too hot. Just like the way it was today. (Bengali)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Shrikand. That's very good for you, Śrīla Prabhupāda, shrikand.
Prabhupāda: Oh, shrikand.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's a good preparation for you, Śrīla Prabhupāda, very nutritious.
Bhakti-caru: (Bengali with Prabhupāda)
Prabhupāda: So, where is Bharadvāja?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bharadvāja is here, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
| Page Title: | Hot (Conversations) |
| Compiler: | Visnu Murti, RupaManjari |
| Created: | 31 of Aug, 2012 |
| Totals by Section: | BG=0, SB=0, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=0, Con=165, Let=0 |
| No. of Quotes: | 165 |