Prabhupāda: Therefore their sons are hippies.
Dayānanda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: The father is varṇa-saṅkara, the son is also.
Hari-śauri: The more vulgar you are, the more glorified you become. Especially like all these film stars and public figures, the more of a drunkard they are, then the more they're publicized in the news.
Prabhupāda: Just like John Lennon. He is a public man.
Dayānanda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Just see. What he is? He's standing naked and taking photograph. His wife and he, standing naked. I have seen. And that picture is there in his sitting room, fireplace. There is the picture. (laughs) I went to see him. I was his guest. So one day I was . . . I saw there that big picture on the fireplace. And here is a public . . . Newspapermen go to him to take his opinion: "What is your opinion?" Just see. What is his value? Nobody. He is public leader because he has got some money. Money is the criterion. Therefore people are accumulating money some way or other. He knows that "If I got money, then I'll have all influence over the society."
Hari-śauri: A rich man, no matter what his morals or character . . .
Prabhupāda: No, nobody cares.
Hari-śauri: . . .he becomes very attractive.