Tejas: This is Sri Naran Svarupa Sharma. He was professor in England and then Member of Parliament here.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Tejas: And he has been helpful.
Prabhupāda: (Hindi) Just see our condition. You have read this morning's paper?
Guest (1): Yes.
Prabhupāda: Swami Akhandananda is speaking kalpanā. Such a big sannyāsī, he says that Kṛṣṇa is kalpanā...
Devotee: What was that now?
Prabhupāda: Swami Akhandananda, he was...
Guest (1): Swami Akhandananda, I see, but yes, in Birla temple.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Birla temple is speaking that Kṛṣṇa is kalpanā.
Guest (2): Kalpanā.
Prabhupāda: Yes, kalpanā. Māyāvādī theory is brahma nirākāra, so... (Hindi) You can imagine that God is so insignificant that you can imagine His form. This dangerous theory is going on in India. God is so insignificant that you can imagine at your whims whatever you like. Ramakrishna Mission is also preaching this, and now this big, big sannyāsī, they also preaching this. God is a subject matter for, of my imagination, He is so insignificant. You have seen the paper?
Guest (1): No. I haven't read this particular statement.
Prabhupāda: Oh. Rayananda(?), can you get that paper, Hindustan?
Guest: Quite surprising. He's quite a learned scholar.
Prabhupāda: The learned scholar, they have been described in Bhagavad-gītā, māyaya apahṛta-jñānā asurī-bhāvam āśritāḥ. Because they have taken this view that God is impersonal, He has no form, this is āsurī. Then māyaya apahṛta-jñānā. Therefore, however learned they may be, māyā takes away their knowledge. Māyaya apahṛta-jñānā asurī-bhāvam āśr... That is described in the Bhagavad-gītā. (Hindi) The Absolute Truth, that is subjected to be imagined by me. I am a tiny soul. And if a learned sannyāsī says like that, how many thousands of people will believe in that, will be wrongly impressed? This paper will be read by thousands and millions. (Hindi) ...hodge-podge.
Guest: Another one, Bala Yogi, has made a statement that "I will call myself anybody but not Hindu"
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Guest: "I will call myself anybody but not Hindu."
Prabhupāda: I will call...?
Guest (2): "Anybody but not Hindu."
Guest: He is not Hindu, he says.
Guest (2): Bala Yogesvara, some other saint. He said, "I am not Hindu."
Guest: He was giving this (indistinct).
Guest (2): (indistinct).
Guest: Nobody is now, I think.
Prabhupāda: (referring to paper) (Hindi) What is the heading?
Guest: This one? (reads in Hindi)
Prabhupāda: (Hindi)
Guest: (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: To imagine. By imagination one is going to tattva-vit, Absolute Truth. Just see the theory. By imagination you have to reach the tattva-vit. Tattva means Absolute Truth, reality, and that is subjected to man's imagination.
Guest: It seems, Swamiji, this is the headline which is not a Akhandananda's statement. Only the reporter has put up the headline.
Prabhupāda: But people will read as Akhandananda's...
Guest: Yes, sir.
Guest (2): Why don't you read the whole matter? Śrīla Prabhupāda says, he says, and he says it very wrongly, that (indistinct). You read the whole matter,. The summary of the whole matter is the same. This is very wrong.
Prabhupāda: Vasudeva, you just, you can read the whole thing. It is imagination. Tattva... (break) ...imagine yourself, that "My lover will be like this, like this, like that." In this way he will reach to the reality. Do you think it is very nice argument?
Guest: (Hindi conversation with Prabhupāda) He is not a bhakta.
Prabhupāda: Huh? Huh?
Guest: He is not a bhakta, he is a scholar.
Prabhupāda: What is the nonsense scholar (laughter) if he does not know the truth? (Hindi) Māyaya apahṛta-jñānā. Scholar maybe superficially, but real knowledge is taken away by māyā. Caitanya Mahāprabhu (Hindi) māyāvādi-bhāṣya śunile haya sarva-nāśa (CC Madhya 6.169). If people hear him, then for good he will be lost in bewilderedness. (Hindi conversation) Why do you think you are sinner? (Hindi) Our theory is not that. Kṛṣṇa is fighting, He is inducing fight against irreligiosity.
Guest: (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: (Hindi) Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya (BG 7.7). "There is no higher reality than Me." Are we imaginists? Kṛṣṇa says that mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya (BG 7.7). "There is nothing," I mean, "as higher reality that Me." And these people are taking Him as mūrta-vigrahaḥ, kalpanā. (Hindi)
Guest: (Hindi)