Prabhupāda: ...even those who are farmers (indistinct). In India also. As soon as they get some education, they don't want to be a farmer.
Gurudāsa: They're going to the cities.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They will be satisfied to become a petty clerk and get some very little income. They will be satisfied. They don't want to be śūdra. That is the real śūdra. They are satisfied simply by eating, that's all. No ambition.
Gurudāsa: So somehow or other we have to attract some śūdras to our movement if we want to work self-sufficiently.
Prabhupāda: So for the time being, what is to be done? We shall take it, then we shall see, find out śūdra, (indistinct) better price. But we will require more land.
Gurudāsa: We will require a self-sufficient... Not only land, but we require a self-sufficient community.
Prabhupāda: That is wanted.
Gurudāsa: Because of Kali-yuga. And also everyone in Vṛndāvana that I mention that we are planning to have gośala, everyone likes the idea. That will be very popular here. Gośala, everyone, their eyes become bright.
Prabhupāda: Make at least gośala, keep cows. That is also profitable.
Gurudāsa: Yes, maybe we should do that.
Prabhupāda: One or two men may simply take care of the cows.
Gurudāsa: Maybe we should do that.
Prabhupāda: And grow grass, let them pasture.
Gurudāsa: Yes, and plant trees.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Gurudāsa: Maybe we should do that.
Prabhupāda: Anyway, we have to utilize the land; otherwise what is the use?
Gurudāsa: Of course.
Prabhupāda: Suppose we invest one lakh of rupees. One lakh rupees means 10,000 rupees per annum, almost 800, 900 rupees per month in interest. So we must utilize it. From this monetary point of view, because they get bank interest, people are not very interested in land.
Gurudāsa: But you can't eat money.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Gurudāsa: You can't eat money.
Prabhupāda: Ultimately that is the... (break) ...somehow or other, but it must be properly utilized. Who will give me massage?
Devotee (2): Oh, Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: So ask him. (break) ...money.
Gurudāsa: My point of..., you can't eat money means that if it is in the bank earning interest...
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Gurudāsa: My point was if it is in the bank earning interest, we may die at any moment, so what is the point of in the bank? But if we have some land and utilizing it, it is a better investment.
Prabhupāda: First you purchase, then we shall make program. For the time being, purchase. Actually that is money.
Gurudāsa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: When you sow it, it will bring more money. There will be no problem.