Indian lady: Without guru-kṛpā we can't get. You can't achieve the goal.
Prabhupāda: That's all right, but you have to ask whether are you guru?
Indian lady: That sense you must have. You must know what is what.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You are not guru, you are goru. Goru means cow. Sa eva go-kharaḥ. You are not guru. You are speaking against Kṛṣṇa so you are not guru. Guru is Arjuna. Because a confidential instruction is given to Arjuna, so we accept Arjuna as guru. Or one who is following Arjuna, he is guru. Arjuna has accepted Kṛṣṇa, paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān (BG 10.12). You accept Kṛṣṇa as paraṁ brahma. You want to become paraṁ brahma. You are cheating people. You do not say Kṛṣṇa is paraṁ brahma, but you are replacing Him. Then you are cheater, you are not guru. That has to be done. So organize this. Very plain thing. Very plain thing. Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu did. Yāre dekha tāre kaha kṛṣṇa-upadeśa (CC Madhya 7.128). Bas. You become guru.
Indian lady: He said wherever you go you say Kṛṣṇa's kathā. That is your duty.
Prabhupāda: You become guru.
- āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra' ei deśa
- yāre dekha tāre kaha 'kṛṣṇa'-upadeśa
- (CC Madhya 7.128)
(indistinct) Caitanya Mahāprabhu is guru, He says that on My order you become guru. But he does not say that "What I am teaching." He says yāre dekha tāre kaha kṛṣṇa-upadeśa (CC Madhya 7.128). He could say "What instruction I have given." No.
Indian lady: Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, you have said, now the gurus are saying. That what I am saying you preach. He doesn't say. He said what Kṛṣṇa said.
Prabhupāda: That is guru. One who says like that, he is guru.
Indian lady: (Bengali) Actually, you must work and achieve bhakti. (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: You can live with your son, husband, you can live. I can give you a room like this. So you haven't got to live underneath a tree. We have got up to date. (Hindi—asks if they have seen Vṛndāvana)
Indian lady: You must go to Vṛndāvana, everywhere.
Prabhupāda: We are offering best facility.
Indian lady: No she is saying, she wants to...
Prabhupāda: Similarly, you have seen our Navadvīpa also?
Indian lady: Māyāpura dekhi.
Prabhupāda: Māyāpura, yes. So we are giving, as far as possible, comfortable life. Because modern man, he cannot go to the forest and live underneath a tree. That is not possible. Therefore by begging, begging, spending blood, we are getting money all over the world and spend it like this. For me, I can live anywhere. And I can collect one or two ruṭi anywhere. It is not for me. It is for you. I have invited. Come here, stay and preach this cult, Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. That I want. People are being cheated all over the world shamelessly.
Indian lady: What about this Guru Grantha Saheb.(?) The philosophy which Guru Grantha Saheb has, what is that about?
Prabhupāda: Well why you are going here and there? Why don't you take one Bhagavad-gītā.
Indian lady: Inquisitive mind asks that question.
Prabhupāda: I do not know what is Guru Grantha Saheb, but I know Bhagavad-gītā. That's all. I am not so learned scholar that I have to read this, that, that. I simply know what Kṛṣṇa has said, and I know Caitanya Mahāprabhu advises yāre dekha tāre kaha. That I have done. That's all.