Hari-śauri: That was the Church of England, Henry the VIII.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Oh, Henry the VIII. He started this Protestant.
Hari-śauri: He was excommunicated from the Catholic Church.
Prabhupāda: But this...
Hari-śauri: So he started the Church of England.
Prabhupāda: ...Protestant group was started by him.
Hari-śauri: I don't know anything about their history.
Prabhupāda: That is the history.
Hari-śauri: There's always been fighting between the Protestants and the Catholics though.
Prabhupāda: Well, fighting must be there. They protested.
Hari-śauri: There's so many Christian sects.
Prabhupāda: There are many. Means they don't want anything genuine. Something imitation. What is the cause of fighting, this Ireland? Unnecessarily. It is going on in Europe since long time. In France it was very terrible fight. I have seen that Church. They would bell, and they'll come and fight Protestant. You have been there? No. Concord. It is... That place is called Concord. So history there is a building, church. The Catholics would come and kill the Protestants. The Joan of Arc.
Hari-śauri: She was burnt.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: Europe has a big history of...
Prabhupāda: Fighting.
Hari-śauri: Religious fighting.
Prabhupāda: Crusade? Crusade?
Hari-śauri: Yes. The Crusades were against the Arabs, though.
Prabhupāda: That was a religious fight.
Hari-śauri: Yes. Christians against the Mohammedans. That article of Gurudāsa's was very nice.
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Hari-śauri: They asked him, "Do you think that another religion will help Ireland?" criticizing that "We've already got two religions and they're fighting. What do you think you're going to do?" So then he said, "Well, actually, it's another way of life, and Ireland could certainly use another way of life." It was a good point. We get a good reception there too, our devotees. People are very pious there because Ireland is still very simple.
Prabhupāda: Everywhere people are simple. That is my opinion. Mass people, they are simple. The leaders spoil them.
Hari-śauri: Yes. That's a fact. Most people are just... They're in ignorance.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The human psychology is the same for man, woman. That's all. Amongst the lower animals you see. The pigeons, they are the same. The sparrow, they are the same everywhere. The squirrels, the same, the same. So why men should be different?
Hari-śauri: It's artificial, the differences they've created themselves.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: On national basis.
Prabhupāda: In Russia I have seen. The people are the same.
Hari-śauri: Yes. Common mass of people are always...
Prabhupāda: Simple.
Hari-śauri: I think I'll see what's happening with the van.
Prabhupāda: Hm. (end)