Reporter (1): I mean, give any clear-cut definition.
Prabhupāda: Just like when you are diseased and the doctor gives you some vaccine and injection to cure you, to make you purified. Is it not?
Reporter (1): No, but could there be any clear-cut criterion, for example, to say that I have committed sin or I have not committed sin? What is sin?
Prabhupāda: Clear-cut criterion is that we living entity, being part and parcel, we are as good as God. But when we are under the control of the material nature, that is our diseased condition. Same example. Just like you, as a good citizen, you are as good as Indira Gandhi. You are Indian; you have got all the rights. But if you become criminal, you put into the prison. So we are in the.... Conditioned state means no freedom. It is not clear?
Reporter (1): No, sir, I just wanted you to tell me some yardstick from which one could...
Prabhupāda: But because you are suffering, that is the sign of impurity.
Reporter (1): Beg your pardon?
Prabhupāda: Because you are suffering.... Do you admit that you are suffering? Do you know this?
Reporter (1): Suffering means that there is some impurity.
Prabhupāda: No, are you not suffering?
Reporter (1): Yes, everybody is.
Prabhupāda: That is diseased condition. Just like diseased.... When you have got fever—you are suffering—that is diseased condition. So long you are suffering, you must be aware of the fact that you are in diseased condition. Because you are part and parcel, there is no question of suffering. Sac-cid-ānanda...
Reporter (1): But suffering may not necessarily be because of sin. It might be because of something else, you know?
Prabhupāda: "Might be something," that is your sinful activities. That "something" is some sinful activity.
Reporter (1): Now a poor man suffers of hunger. This is not sin if he doesn't get proper food or anything.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. But how you can help? You cannot help. Just like a prisoner in the, suffering in the prison house, you cannot help him.
Reporter (1): I may suffer because I have cancer...
Prabhupāda: No, first of all you try to understand.
Reporter (1): But cancer is not a sin, you know.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Everything is sin. Disease means sin. Unless you commit sinful life, there is no question of suffering.
