Jyotirmayī: This man, for example, the one that he just cite, he is also a religious man, but he is against the change now. He wants to keep as it is imperialism. You know. So he said that there are so many of these people who are religious and they are, of course, all they have good goals, that is to help people. You find people referring Bhagavad-gītā on the side of those who are struggling now to change the situation and the side, on the side of those who are keeping the situation as it is. So he says there is an ambiguity there.
Prabhupāda: Ambiguity means he is not clear in his knowledge. What is religion and what is liberation—these things he does not know clearly. (French)
Jyotirmayī: He says that now they are using religion for their own interests and for their own goals.
Prabhupāda: Who is that man? (French)
Jyotirmayī: He said all the social forces in India wants to keep their own privileges.
Prabhupāda: So? The communist does not? (French)
Jyotirmayī: He said that in Marxism there is no religious references.
Prabhupāda: But the, what is called, terrorism facility, there is. There is no religious sentiment, but there is terrorism sentiment. Some sentiment is there. (French)
Jyotirmayī: He said that yesterday in Assam seven student have been killed, but is it the communists who killed them?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Jyotirmayī: He's saying, is it the communists who killed them?
Prabhupāda: Communists killed others?
Yogeśvara: Seven students in Assam. (French)
Jyotirmayī: So he said that in India all the planners of the government, they are religious people. Some of them are brāhmaṇas, but still they have been arresting forty-thousand people working on the railways for no good reason. So that's why he said that religion is used by the people for their own privileges.
Prabhupāda: Therefore I asked what does he mean by religion. (French)
Devotee: What he's trying to say is that some people are using...
Karandhara: No, it's clear. It's clear. (French)
Jyotirmayī: He said one should ask a question not according to what one thinks about religion, but what is being used now.
Prabhupāda: But you cannot think, you cannot think of religion. Our conception of religion is different.